I actually think this is a time-limited problem (for MLO), and one not exclusive to MLO. Any service which has a mobile app has the potential to run into syncing issues. Even if the service is web-based on the desktop, mobile nearly always has an app (and it's really required because mobile lacks 100% connectivity). If you edit something on the desktop web-based interface and then edit the same task on mobile in a different way without a cloud sync in between, the same kind of problem will occur. The issue isn't web-based vs traditional software so much as requiring constant sync of changes in the background to prevent this kind of thing.
If the mobile app pushed all changes to the cloud instantly as they occurred or synced on a frequent, set interval instead in the background, that would fix part of the problem. Also, if the desktop app synced automatically in the background at a reasonably-frequent set interval and then checked cloud status if it became the active window and downloaded any changes that occurred in the interim, this would pretty much eliminate the problem. --- Partial Solution: Because I had the same issue, I did a few things to help automate the procedure. First, I modified a small script for the desktop that automatically syncs in the background. I found it online (can't remember where) and then just modified it to make it work for me. If anyone wants the file please let me know, I'll post it in a folder in my dropbox and include instructions on how to install it as a service. It doesn't take very long to do, and it means that MLO desktop stays in sync with the cloud, which is a godsend. On the android end I modified a few settings to make sync more seamless (I don't know what options are available on iOS, but iOS isn't big on background processes if I remember correctly, so MLO may be constrained in what it can do for syncing there). 1. In Android, I set "Both sides changed item" to apply server version. I tend to do less substantial edits on the android app, so I'd rather the big changes done on the desktop get preserved over the android app. 2. Make sure "Autosync on close" is set to on. This covers about 60% of the sync functionality I need. It basically means that my desktop is never out-of-date. 3. Make sure "sync via Wi-Fi only" is unchecked. I find having this checked is a very strange default, one which I wish MLO would change. Over the last 15 days MLO has used about 10mb for me, and I'm a pretty heavy user. If you have any data plan at all this shouldn't be an issue. 4. If desired, check "check cloud periodically." I prefer to leave this one off, as I'll get an MLO alarm every time I start editing on my desktop, which is annoying. I just remember to sync on mobile first before doing anything substantial there if I've been at work on the desktop. With all the above changes in place, sync works pretty seamlessly most of the the time. Real, honest automatic background sync for android is the real answer to nearly all the remaining problems. That combined with the script above for automated desktop sync would solve nearly every sync problem I suspect, as nothing would have the chance to get out-of-date, and there would be no conflicts to resolve. I remember being told at one point that android automatic background sync would happen once desktop MLO reached 4.0, probably because MLO 4 will include easy-to-use background syncing. However, for users who don't mind a script for their MLO desktops, having automated android sync to work with that now would be a godsend. At the very least it would mean fewer issues to work through for people who were willing to put in the time to make it work. If MLO needed users to be guinea pigs for testing full android automated sync, I'd be happy to volunteer myself. :) On Monday, 23 July 2012 11:40:35 UTC-4, Lisa S wrote: > > If I understand it correctly, there are certain configurations of tasks > which presents a design flaw in the sync functionality of MLO. I don't > believe it's a reliability issue. The problem is that tasks are synced on a > task – granularity basis. If you modify two properties of one task on > different platforms, only one will be kept. When you sync to android, the > one that will be kept depends on your android setting, not on which task > property you actually wanted to keep. On the desktop, you always have the > option of choosing. > > Furthermore, Dwight has reported a situation in which modification of a > task also impacts other tasks in its tree through auto recurrence. So in > this manner, it's not just a single task that is being impacted. > > I haven't run into this myself, probably because I use it very few auto > complete trees. > > Dwight, would you be willing to describe a small set of tasks which > illustrates this issue, both so that we can understand it, and perhaps give > Andrey a clearer picture of the problem? I have noticed a strong > correlation between accurate and easy to reproduce problem descriptions and > changes being enacted in MLO :-) unfortunately, this is probably a design > issue and not easy to solve. However, there may be some kludge that could > help a lot. > > Lisa > > Ron Stockfleth <ron.stockfl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Of course not, although it might be a platform-specific issue. My data >> file has 9,226 "tasks" and I am syncing between iPhone, iPad, laptop, >> and desktop computers. The sync works flawlessly for me. >> >> Ron >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM, robisme <robillardoliv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Am I the only one here never having any sync issue with MLO Cloud Sync ? >> > Please, tell me what are those issue ? It's not for argue, rather for >> > knowing what can expect me if I don't care. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Le lundi 23 juillet 2012 15:01:33 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur a écrit : >> >> >> >> I actually agree about MLO's rich feature set, and I don't think I'm ready >> >> for an all-cloud task manager. I picked MLO for its handling of >> >> dependencies, but also because the sync was do much cleaner and error >> free >> >> than what I had been using. MLO sync to Blackberry via USB was clean, >> >> error-free and fast, unlike Intellisynch to Lotus Notes which was full of >> >> glitches. I always felt that I was arm-wrestling with Intellisynch, >> >> sometimes I would win, other times after a long struggle I would lose. >> >> >> >> The current generation of cloud sync is not as bad as Intellisynch was but >> >> the feeling of arm wrestling is back. Maybe I need to go back to wifi >> >> sync, >> >> where a more realistic conflict resolution is available. It's just that >> >> the >> >> cloud thing is so damned convenient. >> >> >> >> robisme <robillardoliv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The flexibility you'll win in term of sync, you'll, imho, loose it it >> >>> term of "daily use flexibility". >> >>> Try to bulk move, change context, format, color, date, etc. in >> Toodledo >> >>> Try to copy multiple task as child of another task. >> >>> Just try yo delete multiple task at once ... >> >>> Drag and drop outlook items >> >>> Use it offline >> >>> etc >> >>> >> >>> Perhaps the online services will grow in term of flexibility, but I think >> >>> for the moment that a standalone pc software, as soos as it comes with a >> >>> sync feature that works well, is far from being obsolete. >> >>> IMHO. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 15:10:50 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur a écrit : >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi, Antun. Thanks for posting your solution. In my frustration with >> >>>> MLO’s buggy sync I have considered trying Toodledo, but I am stopped by >> >>>> the >> >>>> lack of support for task dependencies. Have you found a way to overcome >> >>>> >> this? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com >> >>>> [mailto:mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Antkh >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:44 AM >> >>>> To: mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com >> >>>> Subject: [MLO] Re: goodbye everyone >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Same to me, I'm leaving MLO for cloud services. My opinion is that MLO >> >>>> as a standalone PC-software is completely obsolete. >> >>>> >> >>>> I use Google services, Dropbox, etc. from any location and terminal. MLO >> >>>> doesn’t allow such flexibility. And MLO for Android is too buggy (it >> >>>> even >> >>>> messed my sync-file in the Cloud once). And besides, the ability to sync >> >>>> single small file (charging a price for >> this feature!!) and proudly name it >> >>>> «MLO Cloud Solution» is ridiculous! >> >>>> >> >>>> So, I’ve conducted an analysis of different cloud To-Do services and >> >>>> performed a test of my complete solution for 1 month. And it suits me >> >>>> perfectly, my productivity has risen greatly! So, here it is: >> >>>> >> >>>> Toodledo (Pro account) + Ultimate To-Do List (Android) + Pure Grid >> >>>> calendar widget (Android) >> >>>> >> >>>> So, I’m giving up the subscription to this MLO Group, goodbye to >> >>>> everyone. See you on Toodledo forums maybe)) >> >>>> >> >>>> P.S. Other cloud services I looked at: GQueues, NirvanaHQ, Doit.im, >> >>>> Producteev, Nozbe, Todoist, Smthngs. IMHO Toodledo is most flexible to >> >>>> build >> >>>> GTD or ANY >> OTHER time management system for any single person. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> четверг, 12 июля 2012 г., 0:41:28 UTC+4 пользователь João Melo написал: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello there, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> What i think is really amazing in MLO is its powerful query capabilities >> >>>> in the todo. I did all kind of saved views and i loved it. It is >> >>>> because the >> >>>> mobile model that i'm leaving. I tried, but couldn't operate with >> >>>> manually >> >>>> syncs and the lack of customized views on both iphone and ipad. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I want to thanks the MLO team and this incredible community, >> >>>> >> >>>> Health and peace for you all, >> >>>> >> >>>> João >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. >> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mylifeorganized/-/RguA-sOyab8J. >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized?hl=en. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>> "MyLifeOrganized" group. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mylifeorganized/-/RovfK1oWIqYJ. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "MyLifeOrganized" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mylifeorganized/-/wdoDh73sj1YJ. >> > To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized?hl=en. >> >> > Lisa > > -- > Sent from my phone. > Reply directly to me at mailto:lstro...@gmail.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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