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I agree that documentation should be better.
I agree that I cannot cite any logical interpretation or
interpolation of the filtering rules that would explain what you
cite as actual behavior
I'm also not certain that I can follow what you cite as expected
behavior
For example in your case five. My understanding, up until now,
was that the primary filter would pass tasks outside, one and
four, which are the only tasks with text tag including "c".
Because parent and child are off, no additional tasks would be
included. There are no immediate hierarchical relations between
outside, one or four so they would each be treated as a root, and
the result would be
outside
one
four
I do not understand why you would expect two and three to be
displayed.
Let me go back to what I thought before I started reading your
emails. Consider that many people have trouble understanding
advanced filters because they think of them as a list of things to
be excluded when they are in fact a list of things to be included.
Similarly, I thought of a default for hierarchies as having
children and parents included and unfiltered, and that any change
you make from that point is for the purpose of excluding
something. That way, if you excluded both parents and children,
the result would be the same as turning off hierarchy. It's kind
of a meaningless "exclude everything" command, akin to when the
teacher taking attendance says "everyone who is absent today
please raise your hand". I see from your work that there is a
purpose to excluding both but I do not yet have a clear vision of
what that would be, so I will step back and wait for a response
from support.
-Dwight
For those specific examples, I would expect the same thing
with "hierarchy off" and "hierarchy on with parent and child
off". Sometimes different combinations of settings will happen
to give you the same results.
You are correct that the bug disappears with hierarchy off -
but the bug is still there with "hierarchy on with parent and
child off" and it's still a problem.
If your point is that my expectations of "hierarchy on with
parent and child off" are wrong, I would just say that this
isn't clearly documented, and what you do in fact see with
"hierarchy on with parent and child off" is very strange.
For instance, in case 1, why does "red top" remain but "blue
middle" and "green bottom" go away? There does not seem to be
any good explanation for this, and I don't believe anyone would
expect this outcome. Can you describe a simple rule that would
explain it?
> Could you enhance your example to show what you expect
from "hierarchy on with parent and child off" that's different
from "hierarchy off"?
Sure, here you go:
Hierarchy:
outside (text tag: abcd)
one (text tag: ac)
two (text tag: ad)
three (text tag: bd)
four (text tag: bc)
Case 4: With advanced filter for text tag b, hierarchy on,
parent and child off:
What you should get:
What you do get:
outside
Case 5: With advanced filter for text tag c, hierarchy on,
parent and child off:
What you should get:
outside
one
two
three
four
What you do get:
outside
one
Case 6: With advanced filter for text tag d, hierarchy on,
parent and child off:
What you should get:
What you do get:
outside
Case 7: With advanced filter for text tag a, hierarchy on,
parent ON, child off, parent filter by text containing 'x':
What you should get:
What you do get: nothing
Case 8: With advanced filter for text tag b, hierarchy
on, parent ON, child off, parent filter by text containing
'x':
What you should get:
What you do get: nothing
Case 9: With advanced filter for text tag c,
hierarchy on, parent ON, child off, parent filter by
text containing 'x':
What you should get:
outside
one
two
three
four
What you do get: nothing
Case 10: With advanced filter for text tag
d, hierarchy on, parent ON, child off, parent
filter by text containing 'x':
What you should get:
What you do get: nothing
On Sunday, January 24, 2021
at 10:05:08 AM UTC-8 Dwight wrote:
Hi, Julie(?)
Re the third example, I do not have time to reproduce and
explore this right now. Maybe one of the other users will,
or maybe Support will explain it to us.
For the other two examples, my comment is that if you
replaced "hierarchy on with parent and child off" with
"hierarchy off" it looks to me as though you would get the
desired results. Could you enhance your example to show
what you expect from "hierarchy on with parent and child
off" that's different from "hierarchy off"?
-Dwight
Thanks! Here's the email I sent to support. I'll
probably make yet another post for it, asking people if
they can reproduce it and if they agree it's a bug.
- - -
I love MLO, but I am having trouble because there are
several bugs with the hierarchy displays, which makes it
hard for me to use the full power of the software.
The following example shows the bugs clearly:
red top (text tag: x)
red middle
red bottom
blue top (text tag: z)
blue middle (text tag: xy)
blue bottom
green top (text tag: z)
green middle
green bottom (text tag: xy)
1. With advanced filter for text tag x, hierarchy on,
parent and child off:
What you should get:
red top
blue middle
green bottom
What you do get:
red top
2. With advanced filter for text tag y, hierarchy on,
parent and child off:
What you should get:
blue middle
green bottom
What you do get: nothing
3. With advanced filter for text tag y, hierarchy on,
parent on, child off, parent filter "text tag does not
contain z"
What you should get:
blue middle
green middle
green bottom
What you do get:
green middle
green bottom
Thank you so much! I really hope this can be fixed
soon because the program is amazing and it would be just
what I needed with this bug fixed
On Sunday, January
24, 2021 at 7:58:38 AM UTC-8 Dwight wrote:
Hi, Julie (Sorry if you are not Julie, you didn't
sign your post and that's the closest I could find
to a name)
You have submitted four posts talking about an
issue with a filtered hierarchy. It's clear that
you are trying to accomplish something that you
consider simple and that you are extraordinarily
frustrated about the difficulties you have
encountered. I'm pretty good at this and I can not
quite figure out what went wrong, or what you are
trying to do. Your emails have some discussions of
your own issue, some quotes from old emails I have
sent to several other people and my examples, and
some of the problem statements from the other
users I was writing to. Put it all together and
it's too confusing for me to figure out. Maybe a
different reader gets it, but if not I will try to
work it through with you if you like.
First, let me try and guess what your actual
issue is. My guess is:
When you have a filtered list of tasks and
also have "include parents" turned on, that a
task that passes the main filter but that does
not have any parent is not included.
If this is the issue, let me know and I will help
you report it. If fixing this would not be enough
to fix your problem, then please write a new email
that demonstrates the problem. Leave out all the
references to previous conversations and theories
about the cause, just provide these four things:
- A small hierarchy, as simple as you can make
it but still sufficient to show the problem. If
task properties that play a role are not visible
(context, deadline, goal, etc) include them in
your message
- A description of a view/filter that
illustrates the issue. The view should be as
simple as possible. Please describe ALL filters
and specifications that you are setting in the
view
- A sample of the listing you want to get
- A sample of the listing that you actually get
OK?
-Dwight
I am struggling with this bug as well and
hope that we can get this fixed. Parent and
child filters should work in a clear, consistent
way, not sometimes randomly decide to exclude
tasks that pass the main filters.
Happy to help report this.
On Thursday,
February 25, 2016 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-8 Dwight
Arthur wrote:
Hi,
Kjell.
This goes back quite a while and I may not
be recalling it 100% correctly but I will do
my best.
I believe that when you have a filtered list
of tasks and also have "include parents"
turned on, that a task that passes the main
filter but that does not have any parent is
not included. I seem to recall one person a
couple of years ago who reported this. I
believe that there was some discussion, the
final outcome of which was that this was by
design and that the user should create a
parent for the task in question.
Would this response help you? If not, we
could work together to report this as a bug
to the developers, and see if the result is
any different this time around - maybe they
would fix it. Let me know if you want to
take this forward.
-Dwight
MLO Betazoid on Windows, Cloud and Android
SGN2
On 2/24/2016 10:13 AM, kjell moens
wrote:
Thanks, but it does not
change anything
On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at
10:38:30 PM UTC+2, pottster wrote:
Try changing Show
Actions from Available to All
On Thursday, 18 February 2016
12:55:50 UTC, kjell moens wrote:
Hi,
I have a predefined
structure in MLO (see
screenshot 1), but when in the
todo view, I set "Show
Hierarchy" to yes and set a
parent filter (screen shot 2),
the folders are no longer
shown but neither is the root
task (screen shot 3). The
other structures, like goals
are shown
Can someone help me
Thx
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