Hi All, My suggestion about the brush sets is to begin talk about a guideline about the brush icons. In this manner the creator brush could use the guideline to make consistent icons. I think useful to inspire this task in something that already exists (only to guide the basis subjects), per example, tango icons guidelines [http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines but seems down for maintenance]. Ciao e grazie, Americo
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Default Brushes MyPaint (Ram?n Miranda) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:51:01 +0200 > From: Ram?n Miranda <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Mypaint-discuss] Default Brushset > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CAJ6UeUKcmVMKt5VSZJKUNU=jr6avcyj4+9qiy5qx3tpab6m...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2011/10/21 Martin Renold <[email protected]> > > > hi David > > > > Apologies for the late response :-) > > About your mails from March and April: > > > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 09:34:53PM +0100, David REVOY wrote: > > > But if I try to see the more difficult way ( and of course the > > > interresting way , niark, niark ) : I think future Mypaint should > > > have at first start a strong default group only ( not limited by a > > > number , even long as in the 0.6 time , and simple without 'header > > > title of group' when alone at install , clean ) . This default > > > brushset will surely look better with visual icons ( as Tanda > > > brushset or a version of my brushset ). I can work on it doing > > > something standard for Mypaint. > > > This will make mypaint smaller to download ( ok, it's not a problem > > > actually , I know ) , and I can understand an user could be unhappy > > > to see displayed my pseudo when he open his software :) That's just > > > not the right place imo, even if it's cool for me in a way. > > > > I agree that calling brushsets by the author's name is very lazy and bad > > style for a default brush collection. For me it's a maintainence > problem, > > I > > don't feel up to the task to pick good defaults and also maintain them as > a > > nice collection. If you want to make a real "default" group, please do > so! > > > Authors name is unuseless nowadays, we have lot of brushes and it is better > for the user to have simply "brushes". But we have a problem. the > Duplicates. It is really difficult to decide wich preset is better. For > example "pencils" we have A LOT of pencils presets and decide who is the > right for users is very "subjetive" or "relative" . Also experienced users > are used to certain presets, so i don?t know which is the best solution :S > . > > > > > From my point of view, a "big" default group (as in the good old days :-) > > could work well, if complemented by other groups. Ideally, the other > > groups > > would be hidden by default (if we had the GUI) except maybe for the > > "Favourites" group. Other oppinions? > > > I don?t like this idea ,i don?t think hide brushes is the solution. and > mixing them is really complex. The best choice will be to reorder ALL the > brushes by cathegories, no matter who was the creator. (pencils, charcoals, > watercolors, oils,) and then make a complete set of new icons. and this is > lot of work for sure. Also we have the problem to become in a new Corel > Painter with 400 brushes. no way! > > > > > > And I love this new page , here poeple can download the personnal > > > kit after installation of Mypaint ; Deevad / Ramon / Tanda / Ico-d'Y > > > / Experimental have a better place here I think than bundled by > > > default. > > > > I'm not so sure about shipping only a single brush group. Downloading > > brushsets is still too much hassle. And I also want it to be possible to > > discover most brush engine features easily (eg. the experimental > category). > > > > We have very good collections , for more experienced users. i find this way > good. again to make a Default is really complex. but we could do it > gathering all the resources and see their behaviour and order by his > natural > behaviour. > > > > > > If you agree with a default 'brushkit' , > > > > I do. But I think I disagree about removing all the diverse brushes we > get > > from the Ramon / Tanda / Ico set at this point, without replacement. It > > would be okay with me to hide them by default (but we don't have the GUI > > for > > that right now). > > > Yes some people uses Deevad, some people uses Tanda or Ico, some people > uses > mines and most of them uses mixes. if we remove some brushes , this could > complicate the task. > > > > > > I would like on the top menu 'Brush' of Mypaint ; with 'import brush' > > > (under or up ) a link to open internet browser direclty to the good > wiki > > > page (http://wiki.mypaint.info/Brush_Packages ) with various brush kit > ( > > > in this wikipage a how-to on the top install ). > > > > That is a good idea, either way. > > > > > Of course, I have similar ideas for 'papers /backgrounds' > > > > > papers are important too. we have again here a bit of unordered stuff. :S . > Tanda papers (Tanda made a superb work on papers)are small for big sizes > painting. but Highres papers are too big for small sizes. > > > > Yes. Code to manage them is missing, of course. I think I would prefer > > something that can directly download from within MyPaint, without > temporary > > saving a file via browser. Many average PC users just don't figure this > > out, and even expert users will often not bother with that. > > > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 04:21:45PM +0200, David REVOY wrote: > > > I was experimenting on my side to try to create a "default brush > > > kit" to Mypaint and use group to paint, here is a screenshot of one > > > of my experimental test : > > > http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7729/screenshotnet.jpg > > > But it's finally harder to find a brush, and pressing 'shift' to > > > display multi groups is still something for advanced users. > > > > It would have to be done in a single group, I think. If you want > subgroups, > > you can have a all-in-one group too so users don't have to press shift, > > however having the same brush in multiple groups tends to confuse users. > > > > > So, keeping artist group is something easier ( as in 8.0, 9.0 and > > > actual Git ; 'Deevad' 'Ram?n' , 'Tanda' ). > > > And surely a good choice for 1.0. > > > > I agree, this is the easy way :-) but maybe not the best. > > > > -- > > Martin Renold > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mypaint-discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/mypaint-discuss > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > Ram?n Miranda > www.ramonmiranda.com > GPS project > http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: </public/mypaint-discuss/attachments/20111022/c910ab3f/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:53:58 +0200 > From: David Revoy <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Mypaint-discuss] Default Brushset > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > 2011/10/21 Martin Renold <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > hi David > > > > Apologies for the late response :-) > > About your mails from March and April: > > > > > :) hey no problem > > > > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 09:34:53PM +0100, David REVOY wrote: > > > But if I try to see the more difficult way ( and of course the > > > interresting way , niark, niark ) : I think future Mypaint should > > > have at first start a strong default group only ( not limited by a > > > number , even long as in the 0.6 time , and simple without 'header > > > title of group' when alone at install , clean ) . This default > > > brushset will surely look better with visual icons ( as Tanda > > > brushset or a version of my brushset ). I can work on it doing > > > something standard for Mypaint. > > > This will make mypaint smaller to download ( ok, it's not a problem > > > actually , I know ) , and I can understand an user could be unhappy > > > to see displayed my pseudo when he open his software :) That's just > > > not the right place imo, even if it's cool for me in a way. > > > > I agree that calling brushsets by the author's name is very lazy > > and bad > > style for a default brush collection. For me it's a maintainence > > problem, I > > don't feel up to the task to pick good defaults and also maintain > > them as a > > nice collection. If you want to make a real "default" group, > > please do so! > > > > Authors name is unuseless nowadays, we have lot of brushes and it is > > better for the user to have simply "brushes". But we have a problem. > > the Duplicates. It is really difficult to decide wich preset is > > better. For example "pencils" we have A LOT of pencils presets and > > decide who is the right for users is very "subjetive" or "relative" . > > Also experienced users are used to certain presets, so i don?t know > > which is the best solution :S . > > Since this last spring I got plenty of time to meet other Mypaint users > ( conference/ Floss meeting / Mypaint screenshot submission ). I could > took time to imagine a way to handle brushkit. > > My proposition is to keep author brush kit ; more in detail I propose a > derived solution of Jorge Verdugo on brainstorming ( > http://wiki.mypaint.info/Brainstorming/UI/BrushSelector ) , > more in detail : > http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6894/20111022mypaintbrushgro.jpg > > > Why : > - Because our Mypaint user are attached to brushkit, the skill they got > are attached to precise brush preset. > - Because kit doesn't work the same and have their own harmony of > pressure / curve / feeling / way to approach digital painting > - Because having a single brush kit will lead problem in maintaining, > especially for icon art. > - I also don't want to see name written, or number 1 2 3 etc... that's > why I propose colors for default brushkits. > ( or if you want write brushkit name , also write Andrew on > Toolbar, Martin on canvas, and Ilya on color selector etc...etc... ) > - Adding a 'special group' All who display all at first start seams to > be a good solution for first exploration of beginners. > - Brushkit maintenance will be easier and more adapted to users. > > What do you think about ? > > (To bad this solution must involve code effort... I know.) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: </public/mypaint-discuss/attachments/20111022/a2e87b38/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:54:29 +0200 > From: Ram?n Miranda <[email protected]> > Subject: [Mypaint-discuss] Default Brushes MyPaint > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CAJ6UeUJy9rLxAM=p2_Hg_R9C1=o3nvt1rz2u7npiqc+dkqq...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > About Brushes, > > The first thing we have to decide is which size or scale (zoom level) will > be the default...The brushes must fit in this size. and nowadays we have > different "scales" on brushes. Low res- and HigRes work oriented. also > papers must be this way. > > simple is not always bad , we can have simple brushes that works well > but > a more complex setup with more dynamics or parameters involved( more > tweaked curves), can generate a better behaviour on brushes. > > Then we have to decide which would be the best way to order brushes: > -Task oriented (Speed PAint, Sketching, ConceptDesign, ...) > i find this way cool and efective. but then we have again duplicates > between > sets and is more limited way to understand user needs. > > - Behaviour oriented. > we have lot of variants and we could make a good defaults based and all the > brushes we have right now. but this way means that user needs to create his > own sets "task oriented" or display lot of brushes with different tags to > make a simple picture. > > I know how to manage lot of parameters. but maybe my "uses" are different > from other users. i can tweak to mimic real world behaviours or make weird > things. so i offer my time to tweak the desired or selected brushes. > > The bast way to do this big task is forget all our Egos and try to get the > best of MyPaint. the most hard task is to remake all the icons to make a > coherent "default set" > > these are my 2 cents.What do you think guys ? > > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > Ram?n Miranda > www.ramonmiranda.com > GPS project > http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: </public/mypaint-discuss/attachments/20111022/f3ce5dac/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Mypaint-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/mypaint-discuss > > > End of Mypaint-discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 17 > *********************************************** > -- "Sometimes the life is very hard ... but always beautiful." 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