You're right, it wasn't the answer I wanted to hear ;-)
But it has a ring of truth to it.....

Thanks for all your help

Mick

Paul DuBois wrote:

> At 13:34 +0100 4/19/02, Mick Watson wrote:
> >Thank you :-)
> >
> >I do realise the SQL is not being used as it should be, but as it is not my
> >database and nor is it my SQL, there's not much I can do to really change
> >either of these.... I merely have to work with a database that has been
> >produced by a third party group, and I must say at this point that I have
> >nothing but praise for the ensembl group for the difficult job that they have
> >done very well (see http://www.ensembl.org)
> >
> >So, I realise this is not the problem of mySQL, but what I want to try and
> >find out is really the internal workings of mySQL when it performs this
> >operation so that I can understand why my copy of ensembl, which is produced
> >from direct dumps of the main ensembl, behaves differently to the main
> >ensembl.
>
> I guess you won't want to hear this, but that is completely the wrong
> approach.  You *might* be able to achieve the same query output on both
> machines by dumping the database on one machine, then dropping and reloading
> the tables on both machines using the same copy of the dump.  Then presumably
> both tables will have both records loaded in the same order, and the query
> *might* produce the same result on both machines.
>
> - ...until the table gets modified
> - ...until MySQL is upgraded on one machine and not the other, and something
>    happens in the query optimizer that changes the query output
> - ...etc.
>
> The group you're working with *must* change the queries to be correct.
> Otherwise, you're entirely at the mercy of any number of external factors
> that can change the output and over which you have no control.
>
> >
> >I guess from what you are saying, that the data is stored randomly, that there
> >is very little I can do to actually make my database behave the same as the
> >main database?  Could it be affected in any way by operating system and/or
> >file system?  Superficially the data is organised in exactly the same way in
> >both databases, but I have no doubt that things like memory locations are
> >completely different, but possibly if I could understand what the variables
> >are that affect this behaviour I could minimise the inconsistancy...?
> >
> >Thanks for your time
> >
> >Mick
> >
> >Richard Emery wrote:
> >
> >>  mysql is acting correctly.
> >>
> >>  GROUP BY is used to consolidate data for SUMming, COUNTing, etc.  Your
> >>  SELECT statement makes not such request.  You have simply requested the
> >>  value of a specific field.  Data are stored in mysql databases randomly.
> >>  Therefore, when you request a field's data, you are getting whatever is
> >>  first in the list of records matching your WHERE clause.
> >>
> >>  Bottom line: you are NOT using GROUP BY as it is supposed to be used.  Your
> >  > SQL is in error, not mysql.


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