The idea that we would expect Network Operators to be able to deal with the intricacies of running an irc client with commands and everything. /sarcasm
Most windows folk seemed to be able cope with mIRC or whatever the kids are using these days. Even the ones that weren’t into internetworking. > On 21 Aug 2025, at 03:28, Krassimir Tzvetanov via NANOG > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ryan, > > I am a bit confused. I was using IRC when I was 16 (we didn't have Internet > before that) and never found it to be difficult, even when I was a SYSOP. > Maybe something has changed over the past 20 years. > > As to heavyweight, I think this is self-evident - if you need to install > Java - it is... note I never mentioned Teams... > > As to the security issues, I would think one knows better than to ask this > on a mailing list of this size and publicity, so I'll let you think about > that one... > > ...and maybe this is the issue we have in the community, the days of the > hard core network operators have passed, and we do now have point and click > generation trying to figure out the Internetz... jokes aside, let's think > how competitive we are on the world arena? > > Cheers, > Krassi > >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 7:07 PM Ryan Hamel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Krassi, >> >>> There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. >> >> IRC is anything but simple, with so many clients with varying features, >> having to know many commands. It makes instructing someone on how to set it >> up and use it more difficult. >> >>> Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the >> question, what happened to those people that were security conscious? >> >> Heavyweight is subjective, especially when compared to Teams. How they are >> insecure? >> >>> Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG >> >> I would argue that if the existing #nanog channels out there are >> effectively dead, and #ix (could be) slowly winding itself down. A NANOG >> IRC server would not get anywhere near the use, compared to the NANOG >> Discord server (https://discord.nanog.org). A *very strong *proposal >> would need to be made from the Moderation Committee to the Board to make >> such a thing happen, however with the committee focused on Discord and >> mailing list, it would likely not happen due to the friction involved in >> set up and maintenance, for little to no usage in return. >> >>> Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan >> TBH)... >> >> The NANOG Discord has been around for a few years, and we'd all be happy >> if you joined. https://discord.nanog.org >> >> Ryan Hamel >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Krassimir Tzvetanov via NANOG <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2025 6:37 PM >> *To:* North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Krassimir Tzvetanov <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: Where else do you hangout? >> >> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care >> when clicking links or opening attachments. >> >> >> There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. TBH, I don't care if the >> smiling face emoji is animated or just two ASCII characters. Most of the >> clients - Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also >> begs the question, what happened to those people that were security >> conscious? I am not ranting here but I am pointing out the simple fact that >> people are spending too much time on distractions and not on the actual >> function and goal they are trying to achieve. Every 2-3 years, there is a >> new social media hotness that sweeps the crowds and then we end up even >> more fragmented. >> >> Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG, or simply setting up a >> chat group on Signal? That's at least to solve the NANOG crowd problem... >> Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan >> TBH)... >> >> We should have a meet up in person during the next NANOG! No cell phones >> allowed during the meet up! ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Krassi >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:53 PM Andrew Latham via NANOG < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I will make note that two things cause me caution when socializing. >>> >>> 1. NDAs (so many!!!!) >>> 2. Spear Phishing >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:49 PM Mark Prosser <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2025-08-20 20:45, Andrew Latham wrote: >>>>> "Get off my lawn!" :P >>>>> >>>>> * Direct chat with peers >>>>> * Mailing Lists >>>>> >>>>> I avoid walled gardens like discord. I do miss Google+ where I could >>>>> make my posts globally visible without any ads. Used to run "The >>>>> Backbone Of The Internet" group there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> :P >>>> >>>> You're definitely not wrong to avoid the walled gardens. >>>> >>>> I gave Google+ a try a long time ago but I never really explored the >>>> groups. >>>> >>>> I guess I forgot to mention I'm on Mastodon & Bluesky. I prefer the >>>> former, but there isn't much NetEng talk going on there. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark Prosser >>>> // E: [email protected] >>>> // W: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzealnetworks.ca%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc70aef361a6f41023dc608dde053909f%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638913371706389877%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=voaEKj7XLgit9PLV%2BE2f%2FOauj7oPYvOsRhlm5LUjpsM%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://zealnetworks.ca/> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Andrew "lathama" Latham - >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NANOG mailing list >>> >>> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.nanog.org%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fnanog%40lists.nanog.org%2Fmessage%2F42LEGGJ6XHGLFBLFXGUMCS7BWHSCU7ET%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc70aef361a6f41023dc608dde053909f%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638913371706416340%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BTPmF7cOk2jgflhvmmwGfDz6%2BPKfJaUJ05VzlAjB2wg%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/42LEGGJ6XHGLFBLFXGUMCS7BWHSCU7ET/> >> _______________________________________________ >> NANOG mailing list >> >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.nanog.org%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fnanog%40lists.nanog.org%2Fmessage%2FIAO3KOILKEBAAO4GHLOCVJ3MMHM5MY5O%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc70aef361a6f41023dc608dde053909f%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638913371706431600%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=K14xTXq2rXJcrdVAcK4Gl781K3mh8cmckmm9Ak6n088%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/IAO3KOILKEBAAO4GHLOCVJ3MMHM5MY5O/> >> > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/2NA55UA5LBNYOD7XSZ4DWGV5QRM4YTUB/ _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/MZCAOG4JFDIQGIRONJL5WH7M6YZZFVQN/
