Thank you Steller, Your response is extremely helpful. I really appreciate your detailed explanation. While I was looking for these numbers, I couldn’t find any. I thought, as an outsider, these numbers may not be accessible for me. And, as I don’t own an AS, so, I can’t be a member of PeeringDB! Instead I thought, why don’t I ask for your help directly to get a proper guidance. And, this discussion certainly helped me. Thank you again. On a separate note, I’m happy that my mail drew your attention to update in the PeeringDB. Don’t know if it matters at all!
- Prasun Regards, Prasun Kanti Dey Ph.D. Candidate, Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Central Florida web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ > On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Steller, Anthony J <anthony.stel...@charter.com> > wrote: > > Hi Prasun, > > It was updated because ‘Balanced’ wasn’t accurate, we didn’t notice that’s > what it said until you pointed it out, because it really don’t matter in the > whole scheme of things. In regards to: > > >> So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim > >> itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)? From an > >> ISP’s own point of view, at what point, it says, my outbound:inbound is > >> something, so I’m Heavy Outbound. > > As a residential ISP, we are an eyeball network, we connect to the people > using the content on the internet (of course with commercial customers also > who host content, but mainly residential). Because of the nature of the users > on our network, we are considered Heavy Inbound since most traffic will be > going from content providers to users on our network. It’s really as simple > as that, we do no calculation to figure out our traffic ratio and update > according to some arbitrary ratio number, because none of that matters. That > field in PeeringDB is used as additional information for someone who may look > at the ASN and try to determine what to expect in general if connecting to > them. > > TL;DR - There are no hard numbers to give you, it just depends how someone > feels that day of the week when setting it. > > Hope this helps. > > > From: Prasun Dey [mailto:pra...@nevada.unr.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:08 PM > To: Knopps, Brian; Peering > Cc: Josh Luthman; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP > > Seems you just have updated today. Thanks for letting us know. > Last time, I checked was yesterday and based on that I mentioned your traffic > ratio being ‘Balanced’. > > Regards, > Prasun Kanti Dey > Ph.D. Candidate, > Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, > University of Central Florida > web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ > <https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/> > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Knopps, Brian <brian.kno...@charter.com > <mailto:brian.kno...@charter.com>> wrote: > > <image001.png> > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org <mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:24 PM > To: Prasun Dey > Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP > > >my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim itself > >as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced) > > Maybe I'm missing something but it's as simple as looking at the interface > graphs. We see a whole lot of green for inbound and a little little blue > line for outbound. We are an ISP with residential and commercial customers. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Prasun Dey <pra...@nevada.unr.edu > <mailto:pra...@nevada.unr.edu>> wrote: > Hi Martijn and Josh, > Thank you for your detailed explanation. Let me explain my requirement so > that you may help me better. > According to PeeringDB, Charter (Access), Sprint (Transit), Amazon (Content) > all three of them are ‘Balanced’. While, Cable One, an Access ISP says it is > Heavy Inbound, while Akamai, Netflix (Content) are Heavy Outbound. On the > other hand, Cox, another access ISP, it says that it is Mostly Inbound. > So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim > itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)? From an ISP’s > own point of view, at what point, it says, my outbound:inbound is something, > so I’m Heavy Outbound. > Please ignore my lack of knowledge in this area. I’m sorry I should’ve done a > better job in formulating my question earlier. > Thank you. > > - > Prasun > > Regards, > Prasun Kanti Dey > Ph.D. Candidate, > Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, > University of Central Florida > web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ > <https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 2:13 PM, i3D.net <http://i3d.net/> - Martijn Schmidt > <martijnschm...@i3d.net <mailto:martijnschm...@i3d.net>> wrote: > > It kinda depends on the application that's being used. For example, > videogaming has a ratio somewhere around 1:2.5 since you're only transmitting > metadata about the players environment across the wire. The actual video is > typically rendered at the end user's side. So it's not very bandwidth heavy. > > Compare that with a videostream (watching a movie or TV series) and you're > pumping the rendered video across the wire, so there's a very different > ratio. Your return path traffic would pretty much consist of control stuff > only (like pushing the pause button). > > Some networks are dedicated to serving one type of content, whereas others > might have a blend of different kinds of content. Same story for an access > network geared to business users which want to use emails and such, vs > residential end users looking for the evening's entertainment. > > Best regards, > Martijn > > On 19 June 2019 19:54:45 CEST, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: > If you're asking an ISP, consumers will always be inbound. It's the end > user. The outbound would be where the information is coming from, like data > centers. > > I'm not sure you're going to get any better answer without a more specific > question. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:50 PM Prasun Dey <pra...@nevada.unr.edu > <mailto:pra...@nevada.unr.edu>> wrote: > Hello, > Good morning. > I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of Central Florida. I have a query, I > hope you can help me with it or at least point me to the right direction. > I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/ > Mostly Inbound or Balanced or Heavy/ Mostly Outbound. > I’m wondering if there is any specific ratio numbers for them. In Norton’s > Internet Peering Playbook or some other literary work, they mention the > outbound:inbound traffic ratio as 1:1.2 to up to 1:3 for Balanced. But, I > couldn’t find the other values. > I’d really appreciate your help if you can please mention what > Outbound:Inbound ratios that network admins use frequently to represent their > traffic ratios for > 1. Heavy Inbound: > 2. Mostly Inbound: > 3. Mostly Outbound: > 4. Heavy Outbound: > > Thank you. > - > Prasun > -- > Sincerely, > Prasun Kanti Dey, > Ph.D. candidate, > Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering, > University of Central Florida. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > The contents of this e-mail message and > any attachments are intended solely for the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential > and/or legally privileged information. If you > are not the intended recipient of this message > or if this message has been addressed to you > in error, please immediately alert the sender > by reply e-mail and then delete this message > and any attachments. 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