To be hyper pedantic, lithium / li-on batteries are recyclable. It’s just not being done today on a substantive scale today for mostly economic reasons.
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 14:51 Dan Hollis <goe...@sasami.anime.net> wrote: > Nothing. > > It is extremely cheap, extremely durable, and nearly 100% recyclable. All > the things lithium is not. > > The only thing is lead acid is not power dense, but that is not generally > a problem at sites. > > -Dan > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > What is wrong with lead acid battery backup? Seems to be exceedingly > stable > > from my experience. We have all our equipment on -48V DC and have never > had > > a power interruption at any site. > > > > The requirements here are 48 hours of backup by law. Telecom is declared > to > > be part of emergency and defense, so they put in a requirement for > > resilience. > > > > Regards > > > > Baldur > > > > > > tor. 26. dec. 2019 11.33 skrev Joe Maimon <jmai...@jmaimon.com>: > > > >> Unless telecom infrastructure has been diligently changing out the lead > >> acid battery approach at all their remote terminals, powered gpon, hfc > >> and antennae plants will never last more than minutes. If at all. > >> > >> A traditional car has between a 100-200amp alternator @12volts > >> > >> How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid? > >> > >> Self-isolating and re-tieing inverters. Economic household ATS systems. > >> Do those exist? > >> > >> Enough independent distributed capacity and now comes the ability to > >> create grid islands. How might that look? > >> > >> Electric grid shortage is likely coming to NYC, courtesy of folk of > >> certain political persuasion and their love of stone age era living. IP > >> decommissioning. > >> > >> If you have CO loop copper, keep it. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> Don Gould wrote: > >>> This is a very short term problem. > >>> > >>> The market is going to fill with battery storage sooner rather than > >>> later. > >>> > >>> Solar is just exploding. > >>> > >>> Your car will "house tie". > >>> > >>> 6G will solve your data problem. > >>> > >>> D > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Don Gould > >>> 5 Cargill Place > >>> Richmond > >>> Christchurch, New Zealand > >>> Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 > >>> www. <http://www.tusker.net.au/>bowenvale.co.nz > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------- Original message -------- > >>> From: Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com> > >>> Date: 26/12/19 2:33 PM (GMT+12:00) > >>> To: nanog@nanog.org > >>> Subject: power to the internet > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678 > >>> > >>> > >>> This article details some of the issues with California's "new reality" > >>> of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with > >>> these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is > >>> pretty lacking. While I was (surprisingly to me) ok with my DSL > >>> connection out in the boonies, lots and lots of people with cable > >>> weren't so lucky. And I'm not sure how bad the situation is with > >>> cellular infrastructure, but I assume it's not much better than cable. > >>> And I wouldn't doubt that other DSL deployments go dark when power is > >>> down. I have no clue with fiber. > >>> > >>> So I guess what I'm wondering is what can we do about this? What should > >>> we do about this? These days IP access is not just convenience, it's > the > >>> way we go about our lives, just like electricity itself. At base, it > >>> seems to me that network operators should be required to keep the > lights > >>> on in blackouts just like POTS operators do now. If I have power to > >>> light my modem or charge in my phone, I should be able to get onto the > >>> net. That seems like table stakes. > >>> > >>> One of the things we learned also is that the blackouts seem to last > >>> between 2-3 days apiece. I happen to have a generator since I'm out in > >>> the boonies and our power gets cut regularly because of snow, but not > >>> everyone has that luxury. I kind of want to think that my router+modem > >>> use about 20 watts, so powering it up would take about 1.5kwh for 3 > >>> days. a quick google look shows that I'd probably need to shell out > $500 > >>> or so for a battery of that capacity, and that's doesn't include your > >>> phones, laptops, tv's, etc power needs. What does that mean? That is a > >>> major expense for a lot of people. > >>> > >>> On the bright side, I hear that power generator companies stocks have > >>> gone through the roof. > >>> > >>> On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and > >>> countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >> > >> > > >
