They are quite lacking in longevity and density.
Which is fine if you have enough space and adequate maintenance to
change them out and they are only a bridge for local generation.
Remote installations do not typically have these characteristics.
Pretty much every basement mux or other RT telco installation I have
ever seen had the original battery setup still in place and lasted
approximately 3 seconds when the lights went off. I try to put them into
my batteries whenever possibly.
Further, many fios/cable customer NID devices do come with batteries,
but they are usually lead acid, often the telco charges to replace the
battery and they are typically only there to power the POTS lines on the
NID.
Joe
Baldur Norddahl wrote:
What is wrong with lead acid battery backup? Seems to be exceedingly
stable from my experience. We have all our equipment on -48V DC and
have never had a power interruption at any site.
The requirements here are 48 hours of backup by law. Telecom is
declared to be part of emergency and defense, so they put in a
requirement for resilience.
Regards
Baldur
tor. 26. dec. 2019 11.33 skrev Joe Maimon <jmai...@jmaimon.com
<mailto:jmai...@jmaimon.com>>:
Unless telecom infrastructure has been diligently changing out the
lead
acid battery approach at all their remote terminals, powered gpon,
hfc
and antennae plants will never last more than minutes. If at all.
A traditional car has between a 100-200amp alternator @12volts
How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid?
Self-isolating and re-tieing inverters. Economic household ATS
systems.
Do those exist?
Enough independent distributed capacity and now comes the ability to
create grid islands. How might that look?
Electric grid shortage is likely coming to NYC, courtesy of folk of
certain political persuasion and their love of stone age era
living. IP
decommissioning.
If you have CO loop copper, keep it.
Joe
Don Gould wrote:
> This is a very short term problem.
>
> The market is going to fill with battery storage sooner rather than
> later.
>
> Solar is just exploding.
>
> Your car will "house tie".
>
> 6G will solve your data problem.
>
> D
>
>
>
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>>
> Date: 26/12/19 2:33 PM (GMT+12:00)
> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: power to the internet
>
>
>
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678
>
>
> This article details some of the issues with California's "new
reality"
> of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with
> these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is
> pretty lacking. While I was (surprisingly to me) ok with my DSL
> connection out in the boonies, lots and lots of people with cable
> weren't so lucky. And I'm not sure how bad the situation is with
> cellular infrastructure, but I assume it's not much better than
cable.
> And I wouldn't doubt that other DSL deployments go dark when
power is
> down. I have no clue with fiber.
>
> So I guess what I'm wondering is what can we do about this? What
should
> we do about this? These days IP access is not just convenience,
it's the
> way we go about our lives, just like electricity itself. At base, it
> seems to me that network operators should be required to keep
the lights
> on in blackouts just like POTS operators do now. If I have power to
> light my modem or charge in my phone, I should be able to get
onto the
> net. That seems like table stakes.
>
> One of the things we learned also is that the blackouts seem to last
> between 2-3 days apiece. I happen to have a generator since I'm
out in
> the boonies and our power gets cut regularly because of snow,
but not
> everyone has that luxury. I kind of want to think that my
router+modem
> use about 20 watts, so powering it up would take about 1.5kwh for 3
> days. a quick google look shows that I'd probably need to shell
out $500
> or so for a battery of that capacity, and that's doesn't include
your
> phones, laptops, tv's, etc power needs. What does that mean?
That is a
> major expense for a lot of people.
>
> On the bright side, I hear that power generator companies stocks
have
> gone through the roof.
>
> On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and
> countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh.
>
> Mike
>
