More operators don't use communities internally than the number of operators that do.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.ti...@seacom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:59:55 AM Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN reserved to "export-only-to"?' Well, the proposed de facto standard is only useful for what we need to signal outside of the AS. Since an operator will still need to design for communities used internal to the AS (which will have nothing to do with the outside world, and be of a higher number), they can accomplish both tasks in one sitting; in lieu of first designing for internal use, and then trying to design again for the external standard. At any rate, as Nick said yesterday, if it's taken us over 2 decades to agree on the well-known communities we have today, perhaps the industry should go ahead and standardize this proposal anyway, and then see what happens. If history has taught us anything, folk will do what they want for 23 or so years, and even then, it might not turn out the way we hoped. If it were me, I'd spend my time on other things. I can design internal operator-specific communities that also do the right thing externally, if needed. Heck, it's what I've done already. My customers are happy and I have little incentive to fix that. But that's just me :-). Mark. On 9/Sep/20 14:47, Mike Hammett wrote: Exactly. There are far more pressing things when launching a new network than coming up with a BGP community scheme from scratch, learning everyone else's BGP community scheme, etc. If networks used a standard, then there is a very minimal ramp-up. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.ti...@seacom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 6:47:13 AM Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN reserved to "export-only-to"?' On 9/Sep/20 13:41, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> How is that any different than any other network with minimal connectivity (say a non-ISP such as a school, medium business, local government, etc.)? Because the existing flexibility of dis-aggregated BGP community design can be done without any need to be in concert with the rest of the world, and your network won't blow up. There are far more pressing things to consider when launching a new network. <blockquote> Also, it would likely help that new ISP in Myanmar learn their limited upstream's communities if there were a standard. </blockquote> There used to be a very large global transit network that did not support BGP communities for their customers or peers. I'm not sure if that is still their position in 2020, but back then, it did not stop them from growing quite well. Mark. </blockquote>
