> On Aug 31, 2021, at 08:40 , Jon Lewis <jle...@lewis.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 18:00 , Rubens Kuhl <rube...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what
>> ISPs do. It’s the definition of an LIR.
>>
>> Yes, most LIRs are also in the connectivity business and provide
>> addresses (mostly/exclusively) to customers of their connectivity services.
>> Which is why CI informed AfriNIC in their request that they were going
>> to have no network and provide connectivity-less services to CI
>> customers, right ?
>>
>> However, there’s no such policy requirement in the AFRINIC governing
>> documents.
>
> Sorry...I haven't been keeping up with all the messages in this thread, but
> assuming it's not already been brought up, what about this, which has been in
> the AfriNIC CPM since v0.1 (i.e. the beginning):
>
> "5.4.6.2 AFRINIC resources are for AFRINIC service region and any use outside
> the region should be solely in support of connectivity back to the AFRINIC
> region."
That’s part of the soft landing policy and applies only to prefixes issued by
AFRINIC after the beginning of exhaustion phase 1.
It has been in the CPM since its first version, but the CPM is a relatively
recent phenomenon at AFRINIC, having had scattered policy documents containing
each adopted policy prior to that.
> I ran into issues years ago, trying to do an additional allocation request
> with ARIN, only to be told that usage of ARIN-allocated resources
> out-of-region did not count toward utilization due to some very vague
> language in the NRPM section 2.2 leading to the "invention" of unwritten
> policy. The issue with out of region use of ARIN-allocated resources was
> eventually resolved with a NRPM section being added explicitly allowing it.
Correct.
> AfriNIC's policy is not at all vague on the matter that their resources are
> to be used in or to support connectivity in the AFRINIC region.
Try again. AFRINIC’s soft landing policy is not at all vague about prefixes
issued after soft landing exhaustion phase 1 began. This does not apply to any
of the prefixes issued to Cloud Innovation.
>> From what I've read, Cloud Innovation primarily uses their AfriNIC IP
> resources out of region. How they managed to get a couple of /11s and /12s
> from AfriNIC seems to be a massive failure on the part of AfriNIC's staff, or
> did their business model radically change after so much space had been
> allocated?
Their business model has had to radically change to adapt to radically changing
circumstances in the marketplace where they started.
Owen
