Re: Network visibility

[Mel Beckman]

Becki,

I was on ARPANET through the USDA in the 1980s. So, not that old :)

 -mel


> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Kain, Becki (.) <bka...@ford.com> wrote:
> 
> How old are all you people?
> 
> 😊
> 
> (JK)
> 
> 
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>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 14:19 , b...@theworld.com wrote:
>> 
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>> On October 20, 2021 at 16:08 m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. 
>>> Each ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the 
>>> “IMP”) and simplex Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' 
>>> email addresses, and routing had to be specified in advance within each NCP 
>>> message.
> 
> I think you mean before 1982.
> 
> TCP/IP was deployed starting in 1982. NCP was deprecated (removed from the
> ARPANET) January 1, 1983, but TCP/IP was implemented (and deployed) prior to 
> that.
> 
>> 
>> Then again there were IMPs fitted to various systems like TOPS-10, 
>> ITS, Vax/BSD Unix, IBM370, etc.
>> 
>> So was that really all that different from ethernet vs, oh, wi-fi or 
>> fiber today, you needed an adapter?
> 
> It really wasn’t, but even if you just want to count from TCP/IP forward, 
> 1983 isn’t the correct date. 1983 was when we turned off NCP. It wasn’t when 
> we turned on TCP/IP. The turn on of TCP/IP occurred over several months, so 
> there’s no particular date that can be assigned to it.
> 
> Owen
> 
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