I've been talking to their executive officer after doing that exact thing. 15 years ago roaming was very expensive.. But when you are selling something using terminology like "free" or "unlimited", I believe you should be extremely careful. I don't know how or who implemented this policy.. But they have been claiming to rock AT&T with this "actual nationwide" and this "uncarrier" talk. If you claim to be unlike your competitors.. At least make an attempt to be.. NOT like your competition. I was floored seeing the Nanog tribe reply with "it was a business decision over cost".. It's 2013 and nearly 14...get your lives together. Make these people who give you a paycheck accountable.
Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: "cb.list6" <cb.li...@gmail.com> Date: 12/05/2013 5:33 AM (GMT-09:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Henry Yen <he...@aegisinfosys.com>,Joshua Goldbard <j...@2600hz.com>,nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions.. On Dec 4, 2013 11:31 PM, "Warren Bailey" <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com<mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>> wrote: > > Blanket reply.. :) > > So at what point does unlimited mean unlimited? Roaming agreements have > always been two sided. In my case.. I roam on to AT&T's network, the same as > AT&T folk roam into tmo when they do not have coverage. At the end of the > month the two are reconciled and someone gets paid. If you are selling a > service that is making generalized assurances in connectivity (nationwide 4g > let netwokr) , you should make a best effort to honor that. It wasn't even a > fair amount of bandwidth.. I could deal with a 2gb a month cap or something.. > But I am now able to use my unlimited data in 100 countries without incurring > additional charges.. Are we going to start saying that international roaming > costs are lower than domestic on a regularly used network? > > I literally feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Tmo and Att are far from > small fish.. And a 50mb per month cap is absolute bullshit. Figure it into > your business line.. Or do the honest thing and don't offer the service. How > you guys are justifying this is BEYOND me. You can buy a ds1 for several > hundred dollars per month.. And unlimited customers get 50 megs a month for > data.. You can't even check email over the month on that. I'm not an abusive > user.. I don't download or use my cellular data connection for hacked hotspot > use.. Not to mention the hotspot I do have with them has 10gb a month > nationwide.. So I can use my puck for 10gb..but my phone (on the SAME TOWER) > is different? > > That is like saying sms costs network providers money.. (don't bring up ran > gear or smsc costs.. It's not related) > If you have a beef with tmo, here is the complaint department https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnLegere or you can email him at john.leg...@t-mobile.com<mailto:john.leg...@t-mobile.com> You can probably just forward this thread Given that tmo now has free (rate limited) intl data roaming, it is a bummer to see domestic roaming is now less well served. I think in belt tightening years limiting domestic roaming saved substantial cost ... since it can be expensive having some users living on roamed networks CB > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joshua Goldbard <j...@2600hz.com<mailto:j...@2600hz.com>> > Date: 12/04/2013 4:10 PM (GMT-09:00) > To: Henry Yen <he...@aegisinfosys.com> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions.. > > > Ting is an MVNO (just like my company 2600hz) and while it would violate the > terms of my NDA to confirm the 10x number I can say that we found it to be > prohibitively expensive. > > One should be aware that, just like in the IP transit world, the small > players have different rules than the big kids. It might be prohibitively > expensive for us, but it's a different order of magnitude for a carrier like > Sprint proper. > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Joshua > > P.S. shameless plug: we provide white-label cellular service to operators > including full provisioning and call control plus it can be tied back into > corporate phone systems (and it's open source!!). > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:59 PM, "Henry Yen" <he...@aegisinfosys.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 22:18:12PM +0000, Joshua Goldbard wrote: > >> ... When you send your data > >> over a partners network it raises your wireless company's cost of > >> delivering service, in some cases so much so that you become > >> unprofitable. > > > > Some folks over at Ting(.com) suggest that the cost for data roaming is as > > high as ten times that for voice/SMS roaming, which is why they don't charge > > extra for the latter, and do not at all provide the former. > > > > -- > > Henry Yen <henry....@aegis00.com> Aegis Information Systems, > > Inc. > > Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York > > (800) AEGIS-00 x949 1-800-AEGIS-00 > > (800-234-4700) > > > > >
