Depends. On some services (L3, etc.), yes, they compete. That should not be conflated with competing at the L1 service. MSOs deliver L1 co-ax or HFC. RLECs deliver copper pairs and/or GPON. Satellite is it’s own peculiar sets of L1 transport.
None of them compete head-to-head on the same technology on L1. Owen On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Frank Bulk <frnk...@iname.com> wrote: > And MSOs, wireless carriers, and satellite providers aren't competitors to > RLECs? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:05 PM > To: Frank Bulk > Cc: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica > > Since a second build-out is impractical (if not actually impossible) and > they don't > sell UNEs, they are, in fact, pretty much exempt from direct competition for > the > same services. > > Owen > > On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Frank Bulk <frnk...@iname.com> wrote: > >> I think I understand what you're saying -- you believe that RLECs that > don't >> have to provide UNE's are exempt from competition. I guess I don't see > the >> lack of that requirement meaning that there's no competition -- it just >> means that the kind of competition is different. >> >> Frank >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com] >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:16 PM >> To: Frank Bulk >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica >> >> Many rural LECs are not required to provide unbundled network elements. > As >> a network provider you can resell their service but they are not required > to >> provide unbundled elements necessary to compete against them as a > facilities >> based provider. So, for example, in Alamo Tennessee or Northern Wisconsin >> you can get a T-1 from a competitive carrier that resells their services > but >> you cannot get competitive POTS service. You can buy DSL service from >> anyone but they are reselling the RLECs DSL access services not just > running >> on their cable pairs. One of the biggest players that specializes in > being >> a rural LEC is Frontier Communications. >> >> Yes, there are wireless carriers and satellite providers but especially in >> rural areas they are not a real viable alternative for high speed data > since >> we know the characteristic of satellite service and WISPs have the same >> density problem in providing service in rural areas. It is hard for a > WISP >> to be profitable when you only have a handful of customers per mile. Same >> formula, low density, long distances, high infrastructure per customer > cost >> for the WISP. >> >> Steven Naslund >> Chicago IL >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:08 PM >> To: Naslund, Steve >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica >> >> Not sure which rural LECs are exempt from competition. Some areas are >> effectively exempt from facilities-based (i.e. wireline) competition > because >> it's unaffordable, without subsidy, to build a duplicate wireline >> infrastructure. There are also wireless carriers and WISPs the compete >> against RLECs, as well as satellite providers. I'm not aware of any >> exclusivity. >> >> Frank >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com] >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:00 PM >> To: Joe Greco >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica >> >> <snip> >> >> In a low density area you can never fund a build out which is where >> universal access charges came from and the reason that rural LECs are > exempt >> from competition. In return for building a network that is not profitable >> easily they get exclusive access to sell services on it to give them a >> chance. Will your NRC be reasonable anywhere outside a major metro area? >> >> <snip> >> >> Steven Naslund >> Chicago IL >> >> >> >> >> >> > >