Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you've got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94...@yahoo.com> wrote: > $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such > requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for > $day_job only without any real desire to understand how > things-actually-work&why. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> > To: Łukasz Bromirski <luk...@bromirski.net> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... > > Folks, > > It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their > stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if > they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to > far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how > many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for > smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them. > > John Fraizer > --Sent from my Android phone. > Please excuse any typos. > On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <luk...@bromirski.net> wrote: > > > > > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > > >> > > >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a > > piece > > >> of paper every time! > > > > > > Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is > that > > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual > > > troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are > > > different than the rest of the world). > > > > Jared, don’t generalize. > > > > True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not > > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them > > didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. > > > > — > > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 > > (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course) >
