Bill, Stop now! You just made me spew beer in all directions out my nose! I have no doubt that there is a home for you @ eBay if you ever desire it.
John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 6, 2015 8:57 PM, "manning" <bmann...@karoshi.com> wrote: > i’ll never make it past the telephone screen…. > > manning > bmann...@karoshi.com > PO Box 12317 > Marina del Rey, CA 90295 > 310.322.8102 > > > > On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > > > Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They > > will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you've > > got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says > you're > > an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one! > > > > John Fraizer > > --Sent from my Android phone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. > Such > >> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for > >> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how > >> things-actually-work&why. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> > >> To: Łukasz Bromirski <luk...@bromirski.net> > >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org > >> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their > >> stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know > if > >> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've > spoken to > >> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering > how > >> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for > >> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them. > >> > >> John Fraizer > >> --Sent from my Android phone. > >> Please excuse any typos. > >> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <luk...@bromirski.net> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a > >>> piece > >>>>> of paper every time! > >>>> > >>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is > >> that > >>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of > actual > >>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are > >>>> different than the rest of the world). > >>> > >>> Jared, don’t generalize. > >>> > >>> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not > >>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them > >>> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. > >>> > >>> — > >>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 > >>> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course) > >> > >