True. I know a number of average users that also do what I am doing, however.

Owen

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:42 , Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> You are not the average user.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2016 1:39 PM, "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com 
> <mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote:
> Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
> 
> I don’t do that… I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz SSIDs. This allows me to 
> know
> which one I am on and force when desirable (usually forcing 5Ghz is 
> desirable).
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
>> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and simply 
>> connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most don't pay 
>> attention to SNR at all.
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net 
>> <mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better RF 
>> performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of interference in 
>> 2.4.
>> 
>> 
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>> From: "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com <mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>> To: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, nanog-...@mail.com 
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>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
>> 
>> > Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that most
>> > people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz wireless in
>> > the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away - that ends up being a
>> > very scalable solution for residential service.
>> 
>> Um… 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the other than 2.4Ghz
>> due (in large part) to this fact… Almost every one of my neighbors is using
>> various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external SSIDs visible from the
>> center of my house using the on-board antenna of an ESP8266 board from 
>> Adafruit.
>> 
>> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings, especially 
>> here
>> in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in any home where people 
>> are
>> smart enough to pay attention to the difference.
>> 
>> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers to easily
>> differentiate (it’s all “n” or “ac” now regardless of frequency) and you have
>> to really read the fine print on the side of the box to find a 5Ghz capable
>> WAP at your local big box store, most consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because 
>> those
>> are the least expensive routers on the shelf.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz prevalence has more to 
>> do
>> with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it does with 
>> performance.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
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