True, but most households are not using a reputable enterprise wireless 
solution.

Owen

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:46 , Chris Adams (IT) <chris.ad...@ung.edu> wrote:
> 
> Most reputable enterprise wireless solutions employ band-steering which helps 
> to "force" users onto 5ghz, but still allows clients to connect to 2.4 if 
> it's the only SSID strong enough or if the client only supports 2.4ghz. Band 
> steering largely negates the need to run two SSIDs for optimal band selection.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:39 PM
> To: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Cc: nanog-...@mail.com; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
> 
> Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
> 
> I don’t do that… I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz SSIDs. This allows me to 
> know which one I am on and force when desirable (usually forcing 5Ghz is 
> desirable).
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and simply 
>> connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most don't pay 
>> attention to SNR at all.
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net 
>> <mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better RF 
>> performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of interference in 
>> 2.4.
>> 
>> 
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>> From: "Owen DeLong" <o...@delong.com <mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>> To: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
>> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, 
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>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
>> 
>>> Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that 
>>> most people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz 
>>> wireless in the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away - 
>>> that ends up being a very scalable solution for residential service.
>> 
>> Um… 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the other than 
>> 2.4Ghz due (in large part) to this fact… Almost every one of my 
>> neighbors is using various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external 
>> SSIDs visible from the center of my house using the on-board antenna of an 
>> ESP8266 board from Adafruit.
>> 
>> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings, 
>> especially here in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in 
>> any home where people are smart enough to pay attention to the difference.
>> 
>> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers to 
>> easily differentiate (it’s all “n” or “ac” now regardless of 
>> frequency) and you have to really read the fine print on the side of 
>> the box to find a 5Ghz capable WAP at your local big box store, most 
>> consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because those are the least expensive routers on 
>> the shelf.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz prevalence has 
>> more to do with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it does with 
>> performance.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
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