I believe there are a lot more than 4. Owen
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Spencer Ryan <sr...@arbor.net> wrote: > > The tunnelbroker service acts exactly like a VPN. It allows you, from any > arbitrary location in the world with an IPv4 address, to bring traffic out > via one of HE's 4 POP's, while completely masking your actual location. > > > *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sr...@arbor.net > *Arbor Networks* > +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m) > www.arbornetworks.com > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Blair Trosper <blair.tros...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> It should be pointed out that -- the SPECIFIC accusation from Netflix -- is >> that people on TunnelBroker are on a VPN or proxy unblocker. >> >> The data does not bear that out. Hash tag just saying. >> >> </soapbox> >> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Ricky Beam <jfb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:41:14 -0400, Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote: >>> >>>> What lie? Truly who is lying here. Not the end user. Not HE. There >> is >>>> no requirement to report physical location. >>>> >>> >>> The general lie that is IP Geolocation. HE only has what I tell them >> (100% >>> unverified), and what MaxMind (et.al.) tell them (~95% unverified.) They >>> know my IPv4 endpoint address, but that doesn't give them a concrete >> street >>> address -- they're guessing in exactly the same way everyone else does. >> And >>> more to the point, HE doesn't share that information with anyone. (whois >> is >>> populated with your account information. they don't ask where your >> tunnels >>> are going.) >>> >>> Are they legally required to go to this level? >>>> >>> >>> Possibly, but Netflix isn't going to push this. Win or Lose, they still >>> lose distribution rights. >>> >>> Netflix (and their licensees) know people are using HE tunnels to get >>>>> around region restrictions. Their hands are tied; they have to show >>>>> they're doing something to limit this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, they do not know. The purpose of HE tunnels is to get IPv6 service. >>>> The fact that the endpoints are in different countries some of the time >>>> is incidental to that. >>>> >>> >>> YES. THEY. DO. There have been entire COMPANIES doing this. (which is >>> likely what sparked this level of response.) Neither HE nor Netflix are >>> naming names, but a short walk through the more colorful parts of the >>> internet should be enlightening. >>> >>> Garbage. You have to establish the tunnel which requires registering >>>> a account. It also requires a machine at the other end. Virtual >>>> or physical they don't move around the world in a DDNS update. The >>>> addresses associated with a tunnel don't change for the life of >>>> that tunnel. >>>> >>> >>> True. 'tho, you can list any nonsense address you want. They do nothing >> to >>> validate it. (Use my favorite BS address: Independence MT -- pop: zero. >>> It's a dirt road across a mountain in the middle of absolutely nowhere. >>> Google it!) >>> >>> The tunnel endpoint (your IPv4 address) is known only to HE, and not >>> exposed to ANYONE. That's not going to EVER change. Once your tunnel has >>> been setup, that address ("Client IPv4 Address") is not set in stone. >>> People have dynamic addresses, and HE recognizes this, so there are >>> numerous methods to change the tunnel endpoint address. (tunnel >>> configuration page, update through an http(s) request, etc.) THUS, a >> tunnel >>> can move; it can be terminated anywhere, at anytime. Not only can one >>> update the endpoint to a different address on the same box, but to a >>> completely different box entirely. >>> >>> Furthermore, one account can have several tunnels through different >>> servers that present addresses from different regions. Where I appear to >> be >>> in the world, thus, depends on which tunnel I have enabled. (and in which >>> countries HE has prefixes, which currently appears to be 4) >>> >>