On Oct 29, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote:
>> - Some contributors advocate that "NAT66" should only designate *stateless
>> NAT66*.
>
> You are the only person I have heard make that statement. If others hold
> this opinion, they should share it with me.
I do. The draft in question is draft-mrw-nat66-nn.txt, and it describes a
stateless NAT.
Why do I want that limitation? First, because that is the discussion this list
was created to have. Second, because every argument I hear that uses the
acronym is about stateful NAT, and the volume of "I have to have..." and "I am
absolutely apposed to ..." prevents any discussion of the proposal actually on
the table.
As I have said to you many times, I wish you had called it what it is, which is
prefix translation or locator translation. Keith thinks that since it changes
the locator it is equivalent to network address translation, and I will give
him 10% of that point. But unless and until we can have a discussion on the
topic that is actually on-topic, I continue to think that the topic we have
actually proposed is not being discussed.
There is an alternative. We can create a different list for discussion of
stateless network prefix translation, named
[email protected]
and abandon this one to "abandon hope all ye who enter here". If we do, I will
sign off this list. Except that's what we thought we were building here.
Oh, the 6ai BOF had the same problem. Did you notice that you weren't actually
permitted to speak to the topic on the table, other speakers were brought in to
confuse the discussion including Remi, who wanted to talk about 6rd tunneling
and as always jumped on every venue that opened up with a view to talking about
it, and the l-o-n-g line of people at the mike complaining about NATs were all
complaining about stateful NAT and often specifically IPv4/IPv4 NAT?
The filibuster is getting Really Old. It would be nice to be able to have an
actual technical discussion of the proposal that is actually on the table. For
the first time since it was brought up.
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