On 2021-06-25, at 14:58:34, Randy Bush wrote:
> >> i do not see how one really gets to this place [...] if one buys
> >> services above metal as a service (aka MASS).
> > 
> > "Shim the APIs", e.g. Terraform or similar, and use lowest common
> > denominator in terms of refined higher-level services.
> 
> and what shim do we use on OVH et alia?

https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/ =>
https://registry.terraform.io/providers/terraform-provider-openstack/openstack/latest/docs

> >> a side benefit of buying MAAS, is that this brings in emea vendors,
> >> not just aws, azure, or goog.
> > There are more cloud APIs than those three in EMEA.
> 
> two things
> 
>   o those three are not based in emea.  see others' postings on gdpr
>     and other issues with american providers
> 
>   o there seem to be extremely few emea based providers above MAAS;
>     which was my point

There are actually many, only a small sample is represented on 
https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/f/a/Compute%20Service%20-%20Nova
The list of additional providers for terraform is long.

/M

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