Just my two cents working with LLMs a fair amount...They are all prone to
hallucinations when they don't know the answer.   With direct access to the
LLM, you can reduce this sometimes by lowering the "temperature"
parameter.   You may be able to approximate doing this through prompt
engineering with the chatbot.   You can firmly instruct it not to make up
responses if it doesn't know the answer.   You will also find if you
challenge it on a wrong answer, it may either provide a correct one, just
apologize and agree with you, or provide another wrong one.   How you
phrase prompts can be very important to results received in general.

If you have any ebooks/documents with any related history, you can also
upload them to the chatbot to enhance its understanding of a niche area on
the fly.  This is what is known as Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG),
and can greatly reduce hallucinations and deliver accurate info based on
the uploaded materials.

FYI, if you are going to upload anything, I would suggest potentially
taking a look at Claude2 as last time I checked it has a much larger
context window than GPT3 (You may also want to check out GPT4).   The
context window determines how many tokens the LLM can pull in to work with
from what you've uploaded (which ultimately determines when something is
too big for it to ingest).

Alphabet's Gemini 1.5 which will be out shortly increases the context
window to 10 million which may be a game changer (as a reference, I believe
the current context window on GPT4 is 128,000!

Just for comparison, here are Claude2's results on a similar line of
questioning...I'd be interested to hear if anyone can verify the veracity:
ME: You are an expert on the history of electronics going back to the start
of the industry. Please answer my questions to the best of your ability,
and DO NOT MAKE UP answers if you are unsure of them.

I do not actually have expertise on the history of electronics. As an AI
assistant created by Anthropic to be helpful, harmless, and honest, I will
not make up or guess answers if I am unsure. If you have questions about
the history of electronics, I can try my best to provide factual
information, but please understand there may be limits to my knowledge.

ME: Has there ever been a transistorized alarm clock (no integrated
circuits)? If not why not?

Yes, there have been transistorized alarm clocks made without integrated
circuits.

Transistors started replacing vacuum tubes in consumer electronics like
radios and televisions in the 1950s. By the late 1950s and early 1960s,
advances in transistor technology made them small, cheap and reliable
enough to be used in consumer clock radios and basic alarm clocks.

Some examples of early transitional transistorized alarm clocks from the
late 1950s to mid 1960s include:

- General Electric had some of the earliest transistorized clock radios in
1957-1958 using four transistors. They later made basic transistorized
alarm clocks without the radio using similar circuitry.

- Sears had a line of "Compact" transistorized alarm clocks in 1959-1963
that contained a small number of individual transistors rather than tubes
or integrated circuits.

- Japanese companies like Sanyo, Sony and Toshiba made some of the first
mass-produced transistorized alarm clocks for export in the early 1960s.

The circuitry was still relatively simple, using individual transistors
wired on circuit boards rather than integrated circuits. But it allowed
miniaturization and battery operation compared to tube-based clocks. They
were affordable products marking an intermediate step before ICs fully took
over in consumer electronics.

ME: Can you please provide some specific models of clocks that only used
transistors.

Here are a few specific models of early all-transistor alarm clocks without
using integrated circuits:

- General Electric 940 Trans - This was a basic 4-transistor alarm clock
released in 1959.

- Sears 'Compact' Alarm Clocks - The Ted Series and Bart series released
from 1959-1963 used transistors to make small, affordable alarm clocks. For
example the Ted 2R65 model used 5 transistors.

- Sony TR-610 - Released in 1962, this model used a circuit with six
transistors.

- Toshiba TRQ-4 - One of Toshiba's first transistorized clocks in 1962,
containing six transistors according to its specifications.

- RCA Victor 6TR29 'Personal' clock - Contained 6 transistors when it was
introduced around 1960.

So in summary, many major consumer electronics brands produced
transistorized alarm clocks with a handful of transistors, no tubes and no
integrated circuits from the late 1950s through mid-1960s. They were
interim products before ICs took over the market a bit later in the 1960s.
Hopefully this gives some relevant examples! Let me know if you need any
other details.

ME: Were there any clocks that used only vacuum tubes

Yes, vacuum tube-based clocks were used prior to the invention of
transistors and integrated circuits. Here are a few examples:

- Westclox produced tube clock radios in the early 1930s that had vacuum
tube circuitry. For example, their model 251 used two vacuum tubes and
could also function as an alarm clock.

- In the late 1930s and 40s, clock radios and alarm clocks would often
contain multiple vacuum tubes. For example, the Telechron Surprise Clock
Radio from 1942 used AM radio tubes as well as rectifier and amplifier
tubes to control the clock timing and alarm functions.

- Philco produced some tube clock radios in the mid-1940s, like the model
850T, that contained around five vacuum tubes in the circuit to power the
radio and clock/alarm features.

- During WWII, military alarm clocks for soldiers were produced like the
Chelsea Clock Co's Model 11 Navy Alarm clock. Some of these used a small
vacuum tube oscillator circuit to generate the alarm ringing.

So in the era before transistors, vacuum tube engineering was used in
clocks, radios, and combined devices like tube clock radios which sometimes
had alarm functions as well. The tubes made these alarm devices bulkier and
less power efficient than later solid-state versions, but allowed alarm
clocks to be built before printed circuits and integrated circuits emerged.

ME: can you provide more info on the philco 850t

Here are some more details on the Philco 850T vacuum tube clock radio from
the mid-1940s:

- Released in 1946, the Philco 850T was a bedside tube clock radio with AM
radio reception.

- It contained a full wave vacuum tube rectifier (35Z5) to power the unit
and four other vacuum tubes: two dual-purpose tubes (12SA7) for AM radio
amplification and detection, along with an audio output tube (12SK7) and
automatic noise limiter tube (12SQ7).

- Along with the radio circuitry, the vacuum tubes enabled the clock timing
functions and alarm capability. The clock featured a sweep second hand and
could set an alarm time.

- The radio tubes lit up when the radio was powered on, giving a nice
nighttime display. Tubes were accessible behind a hinged cover for any
servicing needed.

- It had a built-in AM antenna and included knobs for tuning, 4-inch clock
adjustment, radio volume/power switch and alarm time set.

- The clock casing was made of Bakelite plastic with a wood grain finish.
Overall dimensions were approximately 7.5 x 7 x 5.5 inches.

So in summary, Philco's 850T model demonstrates how vacuum tube engineering
in the 1940s was applied to make a practical bedside home device that
incorporated both radio reception and alarm clock functions before the
introduction of transistors and integrated circuits later on.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:39 PM OrangeGlow <algonquinhighlands...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This isn’t completely nixie related but of all people the folks on this
> list will most likely understand and appreciate what I have to say.  It is
> about a recent exchange I had with ChatGPT3. [TL;DR: about history of
> technology]
>
> I’ve spent the last couple of years working on a couple of alarm clocks.
> One was going to use IV-9's but then Moses came up with his very nice IV-9
> kit. I built it even though it had no alarm.
>
> The other alarm clock I wanted to design was based on the thought that the
> way technology developed there is no such thing as a consumer
> transistorized alarm clock.  (So, that’s the first point: if I’m wrong
> about this please stop me now!)  It takes too many parts to make one.  The
> synchronous motor was well established and made into many inexpensive
> clocks.  The only change to clocks in the time period I have focused on was
> a modernization of synchronous motor clocks to use flip numbers instead of
> a dial. The economics of making a transistorized alarm clock as a consumer
> product were so bad it was barely given a thought.
>
> And yet the following is an exchange I had with ChatGPT3 while researching
> alarm clocks:
>
> Me: Has there ever been a transistorized alarm clock (no integrated
> circuits)? If not why not?
>
> ChatGPT: Yes, transistorized alarm clocks without integrated circuits have
> existed. Transistor technology predates integrated circuits, and many
> electronic devices, including alarm clocks, transitioned from vacuum tubes
> to transistors before the widespread adoption of integrated circuits.
>
> Transistors were developed in the late 1940s, and by the 1950s, they began
> replacing vacuum tubes in various electronic applications due to their
> smaller size, lower power consumption, and increased reliability.
> Transistors were used in alarm clocks to replace the bulky and power-hungry
> vacuum tubes, making the clocks more compact and energy-efficient.
>
> The transition from transistors to integrated circuits happened later, in
> the 1960s and 1970s. Integrated circuits provided a further reduction in
> size and power consumption and allowed for more complex functionality
> within a single chip. However, during the era of transistorized alarm
> clocks, integrated circuits were not yet as prevalent or cost-effective as
> they later became.
>
> In summary, transistorized alarm clocks were common before the widespread
> adoption of integrated circuits, as transistors offered advantages over
> vacuum tubes. The progression from transistors to integrated circuits
> occurred as technology advanced, enabling more features and miniaturization
> in electronic devices.
>
> Me: Name one commercial transistorized alarm clock?
>
> ChatGPT: One example of a commercial transistorized alarm clock is the
> "Bulova Transistor Radio Alarm Clock" from the 1960s. Bulova, a well-known
> watch and clock manufacturer, produced this clock as part of their line of
> transistorized clocks during the transition from vacuum tubes to
> transistors. The use of transistors in such clocks during that era was a
> notable advancement in terms of size, power efficiency, and reliability
> compared to earlier technologies.
>
> Me: Was there a consumer vacuum tube clock ?
>
> ChatGPT: Yes, consumer vacuum tube clocks were indeed produced, especially
> in the mid-20th century. Before the widespread adoption of transistors and
> later integrated circuits, vacuum tubes were a common component in
> electronic devices, including clocks. These clocks often had the warm glow
> associated with vacuum tubes and were a part of the technology prevalent
> during that era.
>
> One example is the Telechron Model 8B03, which was a vacuum tube clock
> manufactured in the 1950s. Telechron, a well-known clock company, produced
> various models that incorporated vacuum tubes for timekeeping. These clocks
> were a representation of the technology available at the time, and they are
> now considered collector's items due to their vintage nature.
>
> While vacuum tubes were widely used in electronic devices, including
> radios and televisions, their use in clocks diminished with the advent of
> transistor technology, which offered advantages such as smaller size, lower
> power consumption, and improved reliability.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++
>
> Perhaps this is a problem with definitions, “Bulovas...line of
> transistorized clocks ” notwithstanding. But this looks very much like a
> series of logically erroneous inferences  when it says “the Telechron 8B03
> employed vacuum tubes.”  It did not.  But the cabinet looks like a ‘30's
> tube radio. Therefore it must have used tubes!  Every electronic product
> progressed sequentially through vacuum tubes to transistors to integrated
> circuits.
>
> The only vacuum tube clock I’ve ever seen was made by David Forbes from HP
> counter modules.  Yes, there are wonderful trigger clocks too; please see
> Graham Marsh.
>
> There have been a couple of kits for transistorized clocks, therefore they
> are commercial, but I’m still not aware of any alarm clocks.
>
> Previous to this ChatGPT exchange I had useful experiences with ChatGPT
> but this has undermined all confidence it.
>
> I’d really appreciate any comments you have about ChatGPT’s responses as
> well as any additional historical facts you might have, especially if I’ve
> got anything wrong.
>
> Also, I have to say, the Bulova transistor radio alarm clock is pretty
> sweet. I’ve wanted one for thirty years.
>
> My transistor alarm clock uses 6 NL-5441A’s, so this email is about nixies.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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