Of course you're right.  We all know (hopefully) that the world
isn't that black and white, but you may be reading a little too
much into what IMO is just a bunch of *nix geeks ragging on
MCSEs.  And M$ can blame themselves for that one ... that's what
happens when you sell a cert.  I'm not huge on technical certs,
but you don't hear anyone making CCIE jokes, and there is a good
reason.

Since this thread seems to have degenerated into a forum for
anything that anyone wants to say, I'd like to reference a quote
I heard once: "Linux is for people who hate Microsoft, BSD is
for people who love Unix".

--- Erik Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
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> I am not sure why MS haters waste so much energy.  I program
> in all
> but MAC environments.
> 
> When you guys have a resume header like mine
> 
> Software Engineering/Programmer/Developer
> Engineer in several engineering fields
> Nuclear Engineering/Physics/Nuclear Plant Operations
> NASA Software Project Lead/NASA Lead Software Engineer
> Electrical Engineer/Technician/Supervisor
> Nuclear Testing/Supervision/Research
> Equipment Engineering/Maintenance
> Contract/Research/Development/Administration
> Semi-Conductor Wet/Plasma/Probe Processing
> Robotic Systems/Automated Production Systems
> Personnel Management/Counseling/Directing
> Nuclear Quality Assurance Supervisor
> Instructing/Training/Evaluation
> 
> You will realize the situation dictates the technology.  How
> can you
> say no to any technology when knowledge of it betters your
> ability to
> sell your services.  All technology is fun regardless if it is
> based
> on shitttty Microsoft business practices.  Even Microsoft OS
> lovers
> will tell you that Microsoft Business practices suck.
> 
> All technology has a place, time, and purpose depending who
> the end
> user audience is.  I will never write a MS Server (Microsoft
> server =
> oxy-moron) but I would never write an end user Linux
> application as a
> <5% user base is not profitable.  If I limited myself I would
> still
> be programming on my Apple IIe and Commodore 64.  Linux is
> clearly
> here to stay but so is Microsoft.
> 
> Early 2001 Survey (complete survey attached to this email)
> Operating System      Work    Home 
> Windows 98        20%   62% 
> Windows 95        39    27 
> Windows NT        24    <1 
> Windows 2000      10    3 
> Mac OS            6     5 
> Linux/Unix        <1    3
> 
> Sorry to waste so much energy on an dead end subject when
> knowledge
> is power.
> 
> Erik
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don
> Whiteside
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:05 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: funny MCSE definitions (was Re: Nessus featured in
> > InfoSecurity Magazine
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >>We all know that MCSE stands for: Max Consults Someone
> Else.
> > >i thought it stood for Mindless Consultant Seeking
> Experience 
> > :).  sorry i 
> > >had to get in on this :)
> > 
> > Must Consult Someone Experienced
> > 
> > 
> > Don Whiteside, Managing Partner
> > Terminus Security LLC
> > 703-421-9996
> > http://www.terminus-security.com 
> > 
> > 
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>  > Computer Brand     Work    Home 
> Dell                  29%     38% 
> Gateway               18      16 
> Compaq                        16      8 
> Mac                   6       5 
> HP                    4       5 
> Other                         27      14 
> Custom                        <1      14 
> 
> 
> Chip Type             Work    Home 
> Pentium (unspecified)         22%     24% 
> Pentium II            24      16 
> Pentium III           20      19 
> AMD                   4       11 
> Celeron               <1      11 
> Mac Power PC          4       5 
> 80486                         2       5 
> Other/not specified   22      8 
> 
> 
> Chip Speed            Work    Home 
> <200                  12%     19% 
> 200-300                       18      19 
> 301-400                       12      14 
> 401-501                       6       24 
> 501-700                       12      8 
> Not specified         39      16 
> 
> 
> RAM                   Work    Home 
> <64                   14%     14% 
> 64                    31      41 
> 80-96                 14      8 
> 128                   27      24 
> 256                   2       <1 
> Not specified         12      14 
> 
> 
> Hard Drive            Work    Home 
> <3                    18%     14% 
> 3-4.9                         16      14 
> 5-8.9                         20      19 
> 9-12.9                        10      16 
> 13-19.9               6       11 
> 20-28                 2       16 
> Not specified                 27      11 
> 
> 
> Printer Type          Work    Home 
> Laser                         82%     46% 
> Ink-jet                       18      51 
> Other                         <1      3 
> 
> 
> Printer Brand                 Work    Home 
> HP laser              69%     30% 
> HP ink-jet            12%     30% 
> Brother               <1      11 
> Canon                         <1      8 
> Xerox                         2       8 
> Epson                         <1      5 
> Apple                         4       3 
> Lexmark               4       <1 
> Other                         4       3 
> None/not specified    4       3 
> 
> 
> Operating System      Work    Home 
> Windows 98            20%     62% 
> Windows 95            39      27 
> Windows NT            24      <1 
> Windows 2000          10      3 
> Mac OS                        6       5 
> Linux/Unix            <1      3 
> 
> 
> Office Suite          Work    Home 
> MS Office             90%     76% 
> Corel                 4       3 
> Lotus                 0       3 
> Other                 4       8 
> No Suite              2       11
> 
> 
> Econometrics Packages         Work    Home 
> EViews                        13%     10% 
> SAS                   11      5 
> SPSS                  9       2 
> AREMOS                        8       <1 
> Excel                 2       5 
> Other                 9       12 
> None                  47      66 
> 
> 
> Internet Browser      Work    Home 
> IE 5.x                        45%     49% 
> IE 4.x                        18      16 
> Netscape 3.x          12      14 
> Netscape 4.x          16      8 
> AOL                   4       8 
> IE 3.x                        2       <1 
> Other                 2       5 
> 
> 
> Internet Connection
> Speed                 Work    Home 
> 56K                   67%     65% 
> 28.8 K or less                33      24 
> T1 or greater         0       5 
> Cable                 0       5 
> 
> 
> Screen Resolution     Work    Home 
> 640 by 480            49%     49% 
> 800 by 600            35      30 
> 1024 by 768           12      19 
> Don't know            4       3
> 
> Keep in mind that most users do not know how to
> check their screen resolutions so it maybe that
> they picked the default which was 640x480.
> An 800x600 setting is the minimum acceptable setting
> for many Windows applications, in terms of being able
> to see all of the screen area without a lot of scrolling
> around. It gives the best results on 15" monitors. A 17"
> monitor and prefer the 1024x768 setting. For a 19" or
> 21" monitor, try the 1280x1024 setting.
> 
> 


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