Hi Renee & all, OK - I'm back on track.
I was feeling (very) tired last night and feeling a little sensitive about various things, which included the DIWO at the Dark Mountain. Coming back this morning, reviewing posts generally, as well as contributions related to the project I am now feeling much more positive. Especially with Renee's, James' and other posts putting everything into a more clearer perspective. I have also been on other email lists for many years now, the same as the lists Renee mentioned and others like Rhizome in the mid-90's, and BBs systems before the Internet. And yet, I still get deeply involved in the dynamics of it all. Sometimes in such a way that it can feel quite raw, as though one is talking to many others in the same room, even if this of course is not true physically. Also, I have received a few off-list posts by newbies who are gradually getting their heads around the list dynamic themselves. Offering, mostly productive support for the project and the Netbehaviour list, with intentions of getting involved from today and onwards. Karen mentioned a few days ago, something quite intuitive about this project, this list and the way that certain open projects such as this, can offer itself up as being extremely vulnerable. Which does allow for uncertain possibilties and events suddenly turning in unexpected directions and zones, which can be unsettling for us, and the many who are involved. It is a risk, because it relies on the chance that people will get it and contribute in their own manner, without constant directing. We have been criticized by certain groups and individuals who would love us to fail, saying that top-down, institutional frameworks are better. Which is a political stance, ignoring the need for a more authentic discourse between artists and other creative thinkers. People like Nicolas Bourriaud who has been trying to close down our culture and reclaim its spirit for his own specific, personal and mono-cultural agenda. Ellie Harrison wrote an interesting and thought provoking article about Bourriaud's antics, which can be read here on furtherfield called 'Altermodernism: The Age of the Stupid' http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=360 - then you have Ekow Eshun, Artistic Director of the ICA who closed the media arts and live arts programme at the ICA in 2008. There is more, but I think you get the point... >For some > odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They > don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern > over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes > delivered half-baked and raw. Yes, the process of exploring at various levels, means that things are not immediately resolved and much is worked through via participation or collaboration, being a part of it whether in small or large way. As Karen also said, it also involves an element of trust rather than restricting options of discovery. Anyway, much thanks :-) marc > Hi Marc, Dougald and all, > > Lists can have an odd dynamic. It's often hard to keep up with the > pace of posts (especially when the DIWO rhythm kicks in) and not > having face to face contact can evoke perhaps more aggressive > responses - most of all because unless you're a super writer/reader > it's tough at times to grasp the tone. Not to mention, the "who said > what loop" is amplified as more mails are added to the pile. > > As cheesy as it seems, I've found people on this list to be incredibly > generous with one another. In fact, this is one of the few lists I > remain a fan of. (And I am an oldie on nettime, faces, empyre and even > the IDC list) What makes netbehaviour cool? An email like this from > Marc where he tries to rethink how something is moderated, Karen's > post about reintroducing ourselves to list members, Simon's grumpy > response about Utopia (please read this with affection as that mail > made me crack a smile-the x punk in me sympathized ;-) and Olga's > carefully considered post trying to catch up on various threads > mentioned. (and let's not forget about the ongoing/moving Sondheim > stream and the re-worked heads that have been rolling around) For some > odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They > don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern > over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes > delivered half-baked and raw. I'm hoping the glitches, bumps and > crashes are part and parcel of the project and are as crucial to the > process of discussion as the careful reconsiderations and the humble > apologies :-) > > Okay, who am I? > My name is Renee Turner. > I'm a member of De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research. > You can find our collaborative work here: http://www.geuzen.org/ > I also write both digital and analog narratives. That work can be > found here: http://www.fudgethefacts.com/ > Next to this, although I was born in Texas, I've live in the > Netherlands since the early nineties. > Currently I work too many teaching jobs to keep my family in a house.... > I'm the lover of a wonderful Italian man. We have a precocious six > year old boy who keeps us on our toes. > I'm a mixer of disciplines. > Lastly I have taught art since the mid nineties at various > universities and art schools. > oh and I live with a cat that's trying to dominate me... > > Okay, guess that's it....I look forward to meeting others on the list > and ploughing forward with DIWO in spite of (or embracing) the > ruptures..... and I hope I have time to contribute as things move > along :-) > > xx Renee > > > > > On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:07 PM, marc garrett wrote: > >> Hi Dougald, >> >>> "Welcoming" was the word Marc used to describe this list to me, I >>> think. >> I think I mentioned that there was a variety good quality people on >> this >> list and that they would be open and would welcome you, something >> along >> these lines anyway. >> >> At this point, I am at a 'real' loss of what else one should say or >> even do. >> >> I take the blame for putting you in such a harsh place, I'm sorry, I >> expected something different - that'll teach me. >> >> I'm going to take a rest and rethink a few things - I feel quite >> disturbed by it all, as well as many other things similar. >> >> I may feel different tomorrow... >> >> marc >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
