Oh Gawd! I wasn't suggesting Wikipedia as the sole source of
research-that would be daft-just that it provides a really good starting
point. I think it gives students more autonomy in finding their subject
as they can circle a subject more easily to find the thing that they are
really interested in. I agree with Rob that it would be great if more
students edited too.
I know lots of profs who use it but I do come across others who regard
any use of Wikipedia as a proof of declining standards in education.
Thanks Simon though for setting out the academic argument so clearly. I
will pass it on to my students; )
Ruth
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From: TOM CORBY <tom.co...@btinternet.com>
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To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Most students use Wikipedia, avoid telling
profs about it.
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:27:23 +0000 (GMT)
I agree with Simon, for academic purposes you of course need a more
substantial source than an encylopedia to substantiate any argument or
hypothesis you are going to make.
This isn't to do down wikipedia which is an amazing project and an
invaluable tool to get you going on research projects and point you at
the original sources of material.
t.
--- On Fri, 19/3/10, Simon Biggs <s.bi...@eca.ac.uk> wrote:
From: Simon Biggs <s.bi...@eca.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Most students use Wikipedia, avoid
telling profs about it.
To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
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Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 11:52
Tom is totally right. However, whilst a good proportion of
Wikipedia will be authored by academics they will not use it as
a reference. The same is true of the encyclopaedias, many of
which are authored and/or edited by the top experts in the
field. However, as the author’s identity is left anonymous these
are not considered verifiable sources.
It is no big deal for the student to find a useful reference.
Most Wikipedia entries cite sources. Many of these sources are
accessible on line, through Google books, Project Gutenberg or
Amazon. If not then there are these places called libraries...
Best
Simon
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From: "tom.corby" <tom.co...@btinternet.com>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:45:44 +0000
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Most students use Wikipedia, avoid
telling profs about it.
I think most Profs are fully aware that students use Wikipedia.
I would hazard a guess (in fact I wouldn't I know for a fact)
that lot of the material on there is contributed by profs :) I
think we need to be careful about stereotyping here...... Ruth
Catlow wrote: > if this is really true the profs need to
wise-up. > Wikipedia is a great first stop for research allowing
students to do a > proper broad sweep to find their subject. >
Its also a useful tool for reflecting on the ways in which
knowledge > is constructed (demonstrating concepts such as
hierarchies of > authority, filtering, peer-review,
gate-keeping, competition, > contested knowledge etc). > > Ruth
> > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: marc garrett
<marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > <mailto:marc%20garrett%20%
3cmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org%3e>> > *Reply-To*: NetBehaviour
for networked distributed creativity >
<netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > <mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%
20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%
3cnetbehavi...@netbehaviour.org%3e>> > *To*: NetBehaviour for
networked distributed creativity >
<netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > <mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%
20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%
3cnetbehavi...@netbehaviour.org%3e>> > *Subject*: [NetBehaviour]
Most students use Wikipedia, avoid telling > profs about it. >
*Date*: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:29:45 +0000 > > Most students use
Wikipedia, avoid telling profs about it. > > By Jacqui Cheng. >
> Surprise! Most students use Wikipedia at some point during
their > research on a paper or project, and they usually do so
early on in the > process. Online peer-reviewed journal First
Monday recently published > the findings of its research on
student Wikipedia use and said that the > service often serves
as a starting point for the students who use it, > allowing them
to gather information for further investigation elsewhere. >
This is despite the fact that their professors still frown on
Wikipedia > use—but it seems that students believe what their
profs don't know won't > hurt them. > >
http://tinyurl.com/yjjq9o9 >
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