Alan, Helen, Ana and List This info is really helpful and I will let you know how it all goes. It's a project that I'm following collaboratively and slowly with organisations, among them Furtherfield and MARCEL (worth looking them up http://mmmarcel.org - they have been pursuing this since mid 1990s and I'm sure many of you know of it - they really set the vision and precedent for some of this as far as I can see).
What should be a simple issue of many to many shared spaces on the network seems to be proving elusive - it's possible to obtain good sound or visuals but not both. Clearly telematic work has been around for a while and is being developed but there do seem to be issues with what exists. Access Grid is still only accessible ( ;-)) if you are part of an academic network or attached to one - that has not changed but as Alan says it's possible to see some very interesting material from other organisations and to make connections with them; skype as far as I know does not support multiple connections through video and sound (only sound to date). CuSeeMe I've heard of but have not looked into - thanks for the pointer Alan. Also as you say, Second Life does seem to be developing some more convincing spaces than a couple of years ago. There are developments in industry and there seem to be a large number of videoconferencing packages available to buy - but what they can do is limited for artists. Ana, regarding the social networking I thought that Google Wave was going to do what you suggested but I've not heard about it for a while??; also joindiaspora.com looks like it might have potential - there are probably others who know much more than I do about this and my suggestion is certainly not all open source. Of course the multicasting raises many issues: access, bandwidth and sustainability to name some big ones. And the issues also depend on the approach of the government that is regulating the internet - in UK emphasis on basic infrastructure and strong regulation of the net. What seems like a simple issue starts to become a more substantial question. My knowledge of the technical side is limited although I am learning - I am working with a team of others who have more of a grasp of it than I do and I know that many on this list have done much more work than I have. I'm keen to develop the possibilities of its use though and look forward to continued discussions even if they do take a while to emerge, at least from me... Helen PS Marc, congratulation on the Mphil/PhD On 18/10/10 20:46, "Alan Sondheim" <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: > > Please let us know what you come up with here? I know Foofwa has used > Skype for teaching dance - but the video's projected. There was the old > CuSeeMe which was really buggy, but it was many-to-many and it might have > been updated in some dark corner of the Internet... It did work on dialup > even. - > > - Alan > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, helen varley jamieson wrote: > >> hi helen & alan :) >> >> as i said my experience of access grid is limited; i didn't know it was >> possible to have it on one's own laptop - how does this work if you are >> not connected to an institution? can you set up your own conference >> independently, &/or tune in on things that are being done from within an >> institution? >> >> the two disadvantages of skype are that (as far as i know) video >> conferencing is still only one-to-one; & the audio quality varies >> enormously - i can have a 2 hour conversation that sounds absolutely >> perfect then suddenly it disintegrates into completely unintelligible >> underwater bubble talk. occasionally i just can't get a good audio >> connection at all. the only time i have tried to use skype in a >> performance (other than as a back-channel), it worked perfectly until >> the moment i was supposed to start, then it crashed, right on cue ... >> >> helen - i am in exeter now, for the next couple of weeks, & i believe >> we're meeting next monday 25th (with paula crutchlow) - looking forward >> to it, & to talking more about this :) >> >> h : ) >> >> On 18/10/10 4:45 PM, Helen Sloan wrote: >>> Hi Helen and Alan >>> >>> Thanks for responding. >>> >>> We are trying to create spaces that can synchronise sound and visuals and >>> allow for high resolution of sound and image. It is possible that we've got >>> a bit obsessed with this. It does however have an impact on the dialogue we >>> are trying to produce given the nature of the artists we are working with. >>> Access Grid works well with some of this but not all. >>> >>> However, I agree with both of you that there is little point in doing >>> something that is beyond the reach of audiences and other contributors. It >>> needs to be simple - we're trying to work all that out; and do something >>> that is not already covered by broadcast ;). Hence my questions. >>> >>> I've got Access Grid on my computer at work and do use it occasionally - but >>> given what my computer (or I...) can do, skype is just as good at the >>> moment. It is a bit different in the studio. >>> >>> Alan, what was your experience of Access Grid? Helen, if you are in Exeter >>> later in the month it would be great to talk some more - or on the list if >>> not. >>> >>> Best >>> Helen >>> >>> >>> On 18/10/10 16:26, "Alan Sondheim"<sondh...@panix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Access grid requires a couple of tables and computers; we never used a >>>> control room at all. The quality is camera-dependent, but that's true of >>>> any conferencing software. >>>> >>>> It was fun to use; I used it all the time when I was working at WVU - both >>>> at the university and at 'home' on a laptop or desktop. Fun to tinker with >>>> as well. >>>> >>>> - Alan >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst >> he...@creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.avatarbodycollision.org >> http://www.upstage.org.nz >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
