Simon/Ana and list I was aware of MARCEL for a long time and was sceptical of it (I think it is okay to say that as I have talked about it openly). MARCEL is a fantastic project that now feels very timely which is why I'm now signed up. Standard protocols are pretty much what they are looking for so that we all have a universal standard through which to be creative and some things are elusive on this front. It is , as you mentioned Simon, still in development - but along that process a lot of interesting questions have been addressed.The archive that is being built up through MARCEL should not be underestimated and includes a back catalogue of Steina and Woody Vasulka and Gary Hill.
Ana - I think that your question is about scale. If you think about the web, apple and facebook, they were set up as very small ventures and then grew to become the market forces. If we can figure out scalability on a lot of things, we might get an answer. That's my take on it anyway. Best Helen On 19/10/10 21:41, "Simon Biggs" <s.bi...@eca.ac.uk> wrote: > Around 2001 I sought to engage with Marcel but found, after discussing its > aims and objectives with Don Forester, vague. Looking at their technology at > the time it didn't seem bespoke but relying on standard protocols and > systems. Nothing seems to have developed since then. Have they managed to > progress it beyond an idea? > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk > Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > Research Professor edinburgh college of art > http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research in CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts > http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > > >> From: Helen Sloan <he...@scansite.org> >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:32:01 +0100 >> To: "he...@creative-catalyst.com, NetBehaviour for networked distributed >> creativity" <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Lunch [Re: Art Doesn't Make Us Better People] >> >> MARCEL has been trying to develop a platform since 1997 with a range of >> partners - it has an archive of video and papers and a network of about 150 >> members (made up of institutions and individuals). All are welcome to join - >> it is driven by Don Foresta (who worked on one of the first networking >> projects in Venice Biennale with Roy Ascott in 1980s?) with a strong network >> of supporters around it. http://www.mmmarcel.org. To date a universal >> platform for streaming has been elusive as we've discussed. The ethos behind >> MARCEL is open source and the idea is to create a platform that can be >> shared and developed. It would be great to have more info on panoplie. >> >> >> On 19/10/10 12:07, "helen varley jamieson" <he...@creative-catalyst.com> >> wrote: >> >>> the other platform that we haven't mentioned yet here is panoplie, >>> annie's web-streaming interface - which actually does a lot of what >>> we're talking about (multi-location audio-visual streaming to a browser >>> interface that's accessible to audiences at the click of a link). BUT i >>> am not sure if the project is ongoing at the moment - annie or clement, >>> perhaps you can tell us more? >>> >>> i have heard about mmarcel.org but don't know much about it - are they >>> actually developing a live platform, or is it more of a >>> respository/network kind of a thing? >>> >>> h : ) >>> >>> On 18/10/10 9:44 PM, Helen Sloan wrote: >>>> Alan, Helen, Ana and List >>>> >>>> This info is really helpful and I will let you know how it all goes. It's a >>>> project that I'm following collaboratively and slowly with organisations, >>>> among them Furtherfield and MARCEL (worth looking them up >>>> http://mmmarcel.org - they have been pursuing this since mid 1990s and I'm >>>> sure many of you know of it - they really set the vision and precedent for >>>> some of this as far as I can see). >>>> >>>> What should be a simple issue of many to many shared spaces on the network >>>> seems to be proving elusive - it's possible to obtain good sound or visuals >>>> but not both. Clearly telematic work has been around for a while and is >>>> being developed but there do seem to be issues with what exists. >>>> >>>> Access Grid is still only accessible ( ;-)) if you are part of an academic >>>> network or attached to one - that has not changed but as Alan says it's >>>> possible to see some very interesting material from other organisations and >>>> to make connections with them; skype as far as I know does not support >>>> multiple connections through video and sound (only sound to date). CuSeeMe >>>> I've heard of but have not looked into - thanks for the pointer Alan. Also >>>> as you say, Second Life does seem to be developing some more convincing >>>> spaces than a couple of years ago. >>>> >>>> There are developments in industry and there seem to be a large number of >>>> videoconferencing packages available to buy - but what they can do is >>>> limited for artists. >>>> >>>> Ana, regarding the social networking I thought that Google Wave was going >>>> to >>>> do what you suggested but I've not heard about it for a while??; also >>>> joindiaspora.com looks like it might have potential - there are probably >>>> others who know much more than I do about this and my suggestion is >>>> certainly not all open source. >>>> >>>> Of course the multicasting raises many issues: access, bandwidth and >>>> sustainability to name some big ones. And the issues also depend on the >>>> approach of the government that is regulating the internet - in UK emphasis >>>> on basic infrastructure and strong regulation of the net. What seems like a >>>> simple issue starts to become a more substantial question. >>>> >>>> My knowledge of the technical side is limited although I am learning - I am >>>> working with a team of others who have more of a grasp of it than I do and >>>> I >>>> know that many on this list have done much more work than I have. I'm keen >>>> to develop the possibilities of its use though and look forward to >>>> continued >>>> discussions even if they do take a while to emerge, at least from me... >>>> >>>> Helen >>>> >>>> PS Marc, congratulation on the Mphil/PhD >>>> >>>> On 18/10/10 20:46, "Alan Sondheim"<sondh...@panix.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please let us know what you come up with here? I know Foofwa has used >>>>> Skype for teaching dance - but the video's projected. There was the old >>>>> CuSeeMe which was really buggy, but it was many-to-many and it might have >>>>> been updated in some dark corner of the Internet... It did work on dialup >>>>> even. - >>>>> >>>>> - Alan >>>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
