You - and Helen - are absolutely right. I think I was trying to tease out the difference between online/offline communities in as much as online (such as here) you can be in/follow/listen to the community (i.e. subscribed to the list) without showing yourself/be known - an unknown neighbour, but neighbour nonetheless [neighbour is probably the wrong term] Whereas in offline community you'll at least have to be seen - go to the meeting, even if if you sit on the back row, observing/listening, but saying nothing.
Thanks for the links! M > From: Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk> > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:33:50 +0100 > To: <he...@creative-catalyst.com>, NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours - and the > neighbourhood > > Helen just hit the proverbial nail. We do not speak of gated neighbourhoods > but gated communities. It is because a particular neighbourhood is composed > of self-selecting neighbours that it becomes a community. There are other > examples. Ghettoes sometimes have these qualities - collective identity > forged in and through adversity. However, the modern city is composed as > less well defined social structures, due to the fragmentation of our culture > into many sub-cultures (I'd argue that's a good thing). These sub-cultures > are sometimes location-specific but generally are geographically dispersed. > Community, in this situation, is not a function of neighbourhood, as Helen > observes. Netbehaviour is (arguably) an exemplar of how communities are now > forged in a networked world. As Marc and Ruth and other Netbehaviourists are > aware, this form of emergent ontology within a social space in part defined > by its networked mediality, is generating significant interest - whether it > be the discussions we have here or on the Institute of Distributed > Creativity list or in specific research projects, for example: > > http://www.elmcip.net/ > or > http://side-creative.ncl.ac.uk/communities/symposium11/ > > Best > > Simon > > > On 01/05/2011 18:49, "helen varley jamieson" <he...@creative-catalyst.com> > wrote: > >> but are they really "neighbours" if we've chosen them? there's a real >> difference between "community" & "neighbourhood", that has to do with >> choice. "loving thy neighbour" is more of a challenge because (like >> family) the thing is that you don't have a choice about who they are ... >> >> h : ) >> >> On 1/05/11 6:26 PM, list|marianne wrote: >>> And, then of course there's the concept of the "open neighbourhood", >>> and the question of how "open" open is, when everyone -- truly >>> everyone - is genuinely welcome or free to move in, potentially >>> putting the established neighbourhood (aims, agendas, neighbourliness) >>> at risk . Perhaps that is the thing about online neighbourhoods -- we >>> select, to the extent we can and because we can, who our neighbours >>> are. Returning to the fact that "loving thy neighbours" is a lot >>> easier to do when you know (or chose) who your neighbours are. >>> >>> Love to all. >>> M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From: *list|marianne <l...@criticalm.org> >>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> *Date: *Sun, 01 May 2011 16:41:09 +0100 >>> *To: *netbehaviour <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours >>> - and the neighbourhood >>> >>> Hi Helen, >>> I specifically wanted to do netbehaviour, as I've been hanging out >>> here for a while and I'm interested in what it means to be here. It >>> seems to be my kind of hood in many ways, but as Annie, said, I'm not >>> really a neighbor, I'm not really in. (Which may be one very >>> understandable reason why no-one but you has responded). >>> So, at the moment the call is extended to different [actual and >>> potential] neighbours as well. When I come to the point of actually >>> visualising "the" neighbourhood, I'll need to make decisions. Will it >>> be specifically this one, Or, one made up of those who chose to >>> respond? Then, what would that mean? [Editing the neighbourhood! >>> Letting it fail.] >>> >>> -- but, it's interesting. >>> All best >>> m >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From: *helen varley jamieson <he...@creative-catalyst.com> >>> *Reply-To: *he...@creative-catalyst.com, NetBehaviour for networked >>> distributed creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> *Date: *Sun, 01 May 2011 17:12:38 +0200 >>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours >>> - and the neighbourhood >>> >>> hi marianne, >>> i'm curious about what neighbourhood you are aiming to visualise; in >>> the email you sent to this list, you specified the netbehaviour >>> neighbourhood, but on the web site where you're posting the >>> portraits, you don't mention netbehaviour; it's an open invitation >>> to anyone who wants to be part of the neighbourhood. in that sense, >>> the neighbourhood you're visualising will be a new & different one >>> to the netbehaviour neighbourhood ... the neighbourhood of wherever >>> your invitation has reached? (altho the netbehviour neighbourhood is >>> indeed open to anyone who wants to be a part of it). >>> >>> neighbourhood is a really interesting concept to explore, since it's >>> changing so much at the moment. we don't choose our neighbours & >>> even if we don't interact with them a lot they can have a huge >>> impact on our lives (& us on them ... ). >>> >>> h : ) >>> > > > Simon Biggs > si...@littlepig.org.uk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk > http://www.elmcip.net/ > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
