Hi Paul, I agree, NN was inventive, with various individuals using her identity - I also enjoyed the mix of angst & philosophy etc...
>Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating feuding >poisoned the list, in the end displacing all the mostly welcome or >merely irritating posts. Well, plenty of people using their own identities can be as equally distressing, sometimes one imagines that they may be bot themselves ;-) wishing you well. marc > As someone who was on the Cycling74 list for the whole sweep of NN's > intervention, what strikes me was how variable the messages were. If > (her) intervention had been purely an effort to spam, NN would have > been booted immediately. But NN was inventive, frequently a very > useful contributor, and even the spammy bits were charged with a > degree of humor: pickled theory generated by a textbot. > > Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating feuding > poisoned the list, in the end displacing all the mostly welcome or > merely irritating posts. > > -- Paul > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk > <mailto:si...@littlepig.org.uk>> wrote: > > Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was active, when > the Net was smaller and less commercialised. In that context a > certain sample of users would have known NN and voted for her. > Nowadays the net is a different universe, dominated by big > business and government policy. It is only going to be more like > that. It is the infrastructure of the knowledge economy - and > government and business have a particular understanding of what > the term economy means: making money and creating jobs/consumers. > As I often work at the juncture of academic research (into the > internet), government policy and commercial development it is > clear to me that the net's future is nothing like its past - and > the future is now. > > My students have little or no knowledge of the early net. They > know it through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps and other > commercial and/or custom portals. They haven't the faintest what > The Well is, much less Nettime, Thing or 7-11. In the case of 7-11 > you cannot teach them about it as the archives and other traces > have been so effectively removed. Only individual artist's > documentation exists - but that isn't the same. 7-11 was a > creative community/happening and it would be great to present it > as it was then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive > (probably 25% of the material) to show them. > > Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of these early > examples of net culture. Some do (the artists, media nuts, > anthropologists, etc) but those working between academe and > industry (which is most) simply aren't interested. They see the > net as the saviour of TV and publishing. They recognise it is > fundamentally different - but their response is not to consider > cultural alternatives but to work out new business models (eg: > social media means social gaming linked to a network TV series). > I'm sorry it is like that, but it's how it is. At this point we > probably need an under-net, and it is possible that list serves > (like usenet, almost a subject for media archeology) are that. > > Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of people on > the net has exploded but the numbers using list serves have > shrunk. Many artistic communities that once communicated via list > serves have moved to blog, nings or Facebook groups. Google+ > Circles, despite the failure of Google Wave, are the next > development. Alan, you make good use of that... > > best > > Simon > > > On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on the > Net. I > > had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she > might have > > been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places. > > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: > > > >> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century > network culture (we are talking about a few hundred people here on > a list serve or two) and NN. More like a sub-cultural splinter > group... Of all the people on the internet I doubt more than 0.01% > have ever heard of NN. Hardly infamous. > >> > >> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be > burned to a crisp ;) > >> > >> best > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote: > >> > >>> Netochka Nezvanova. > >>> > >>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in > >>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera) > remains an > >>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an IdentityCollective?, > Netochka > >>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in [an > early > >>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means "nameless > nobody" > >>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female, > though it may > >>> not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N. > has coveted > >>> attention and recognition like few others on the Internet. > >>> > >>> http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>> > >> > >> > >> Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk > <mailto:si...@littlepig.org.uk> | www.littlepig.org.uk > <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> > >> > >> s.bi...@ed.ac.uk <mailto:s.bi...@ed.ac.uk> | Edinburgh College > of Art | University of Edinburgh > >> www.eca.ac.uk/circle <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle> | > www.elmcip.net <http://www.elmcip.net> | www.movingtargets.co.uk > <http://www.movingtargets.co.uk> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> > > > > == > > eyebeam: http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ > > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > <tel:347-383-8552> > > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/re.txt > > == > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > Simon Biggs | si...@littlepig.org.uk > <mailto:si...@littlepig.org.uk> | www.littlepig.org.uk > <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> > > s.bi...@ed.ac.uk <mailto:s.bi...@ed.ac.uk> | Edinburgh College of > Art | University of Edinburgh > www.eca.ac.uk/circle <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle> | > www.elmcip.net <http://www.elmcip.net> | www.movingtargets.co.uk > <http://www.movingtargets.co.uk> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > -- > ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- > http://ignotus.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
