Do you have any examples or references for using Moos for text processing? That sounds really interesting.
Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: Dibbell was writing about a MOO, Lambda MOO, somewhat different. I was a wizard on a couple and ran one out of the New School and we had running for the Cybermind conference. Right now I usually have one running in linux for language processing; they're lightweight and can be used for amazing textual manipulation/creation. - ALan On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Ana Vald?s wrote: > Does someone remember the MUDS? I was in one of them, invited by Howard > Rheingold, one of the real old timers, founder of the Wall and of a lot of > interesting communities, as Electric Minds. > People interacted at the MUDS in a similar way they do in Facebook or Second > Life. > I like Julian Dibbells book about the life inside a MUD :) > Ana > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Paul Hertz <igno...@gmail.com> wrote: > As someone who was on the Cycling74 list for the whole sweep of > NN's intervention, what strikes me was how variable the messages > were. If (her) intervention had been purely an effort to spam, > NN would have been booted immediately. But NN was inventive, > frequently a very useful contributor, and even the spammy bits > were charged with a degree of humor: pickled theory generated by > a textbot. > > Of course it got hard to take, and the gradually escalating > feuding poisoned the list, in the end displacing all the mostly > welcome or merely irritating posts. > > -- Paul > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk> > wrote: > Who was voting? There was a period, back when NN was > active, when the Net was smaller and less commercialised. > In that context a certain sample of users would have known > NN and voted for her. Nowadays the net is a different > universe, dominated by big business and government policy. > It is only going to be more like that. It is the > infrastructure of the knowledge economy - and government > and business have a particular understanding of what the > term economy means: making money and creating > jobs/consumers. As I often work at the juncture of > academic research (into the internet), government policy > and commercial development it is clear to me that the > net's future is nothing like its past - and the future is > now. > > My students have little or no knowledge of the early net. > They know it through Facebook, Twitter, blogs, BBC, apps > and other commercial and/or custom portals. They haven't > the faintest what The Well is, much less Nettime, Thing or > 7-11. In the case of 7-11 you cannot teach them about it > as the archives and other traces have been so effectively > removed. Only individual artist's documentation exists - > but that isn't the same. 7-11 was a creative > community/happening and it would be great to present it as > it was then, in its entirety. I only have my own archive > (probably 25% of the material) to show them. > > Many of our researchers also have little knowledge of > these early examples of net culture. Some do (the artists, > media nuts, anthropologists, etc) but those working > between academe and industry (which is most) simply aren't > interested. They see the net as the saviour of TV and > publishing. They recognise it is fundamentally different - > but their response is not to consider cultural > alternatives but to work out new business models (eg: > social media means social gaming linked to a network TV > series). I'm sorry it is like that, but it's how it is. At > this point we probably need an under-net, and it is > possible that list serves (like usenet, almost a subject > for media archeology) are that. > > Ana is right that list serves are dying. The number of > people on the net has exploded but the numbers using list > serves have shrunk. Many artistic communities that once > communicated via list serves have moved to blog, nings or > Facebook groups. Google+ Circles, despite the failure of > Google Wave, are the next development. Alan, you make good > use of that... > > best > > Simon > > > On 9 Sep 2011, at 17:48, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > She was actually voted one of the 25 most important women on > the Net. I > > had some dealing with her. And everyone I knew, knew her - she > might have > > been better known in the US; NATO55 was in a lot of places. > > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Simon Biggs wrote: > > > >> Seems to overstate both the worth of turn of the Century > network culture (we are talking about a few hundred people here > on a list serve or two) and NN. More like a sub-cultural > splinter group... Of all the people on the internet I doubt more > than 0.01% have ever heard of NN. Hardly infamous. > >> > >> (but as NN is eternally prescient I am sure I will now be > burned to a crisp ;) > >> > >> best > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> On 9 Sep 2011, at 14:25, marc garrett wrote: > >> > >>> Netochka Nezvanova. > >>> > >>> One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in > >>> turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, > Netochka > >>> Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera) > remains an > >>> enigma to many. Widely believed to be an > IdentityCollective?, Netochka > >>> Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in > [an early > >>> unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means > "nameless nobody" > >>> in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female, > though it may > >>> not be in reality. 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