the clunky email discussion lists do not always work as well (as this spontaneous & wild one here) when they are moderated and controlled and when there is a fictive membership (hundreds, thousands?) that do not engage in debates so that the extended discussion, as Alan seems to think it exists in empyre,. is matter of a dozen guests a month who have been gathered into a forum - this can be very good and very provocative, indeed, but I also have seen less and less listening, Alan, than you suggest; and a lot of posters.
putting human experience out of reach of machines? tell me. best wishes Johannes Birringer ________________________________________ From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [sondh...@panix.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 1:55 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help! email lists, which still seem on the wane, seem to be the only online forum for extended discussion and a kind of 'care' in reading that's almost impossible elsewhere. that's why empyre, for example, works so well. there's a kind of reading-voice and interiority that allows for thoughtfulness, listening... - Alan On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, ruth catlow wrote: > I now work on the assumption that anything that i do using social media is > allowing profit-driven corporations to reach into my person, harvest parts of > my subjective experience even I didn't know about, for their own profit, and > at the risk of alienating my current selves from my future selves. > > long live clunky email discussion lists : ) > > putting (a little part of) human experience out of the reach of the machines > - ha hah! > > > > On 30/08/16 00:16, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> Agree with you but this seems particularly intrusive; basically, it wants >> to take control of one's life - >> >> On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote: >> >>> >>>> Help - am I missing something? This is what Snapchat can access >>>> on my PC if I install it - it seems like a serious invasion of >>>> privacy. Any comments greatly appreciated - Alan >>> >>> at this point, anything on social media is going to to this and more -- >>> no need to be surprised, eh, Alan? more data = more $$ -- it's nauseating >>> imho. >>> >>> is there any 'net privacy available anymore? doesn't seem like it... >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD >>> grounded on a granite batholith >>> twitter: @neoscenes >>> http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >> >> == >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/uc.txt >> == >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > -- > Co-founder Co-director > Furtherfield > > www.furtherfield.org > > +44 (0) 77370 02879 > > Unicorn hunter > > Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i > > Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & debates > around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 > > Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee > registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. > Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, Tally > Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/uc.txt == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
