On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:24 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > > specifications have been published over the years by various working > > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > > > > Let me be a bit more explicit. > > I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as > co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the > relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have > explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an > interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the > limited success of the prior attempts. > > Adopting this work without having answered this question seems > premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to > this question, the WG will likely not find one either. > > I do not support adoption of this draft, but do not object if others want to spend time working on it. The current draft is way too complex and not implementable. I suspect many who supported adoption meant they are happy for somebody else to "finish" the draft (but they do not have time for that). IMO this is an area where running code really matters. We should be standardizing the "trailing edge": multiple independent non-standard solutions exist and the IETF creates a "best-hits" standard. We should be avoiding Ivory Tower "leading edge" standards where design teams decide how the world SHOULD work, and there is no running code to back up the theory. Andy /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/> >
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