Re-, > I cannot find the reference [IANA_FOO_URL].
That's normal. That is defined as a generic reference whenever we need in the bis to point to the latest version of a module. I made the following change to have both the parent link and per-revision one: == OLD: Examples of IANA URLs from where to retrieve the latest version of an IANA-maintained module are: [IANA_BGP-L2_URL], [IANA_PW-Types_URL], and [IANA_BFD_URL]. [IANA_FOO_URL] is used in the following to refer to such URLs. These URLs are expected to be sufficiently permanent and stable. NEW: Examples of IANA URLs from where to retrieve the latest version of an IANA-maintained module are: [IANA_BGP-L2_URL], [IANA_PW-Types_URL], and [IANA_BFD_URL]. [IANA_FOO_URL] is used in the following to refer to such URLs. These URLs are expected to be sufficiently permanent and stable. Whenever referencing a specific version of an IANA- maintained module is needed, then URLs such as [IANA_BGP-L2_URL-Revision] are used. [IANA_FOO_URL_With_REV] is used in the following to refer to such URLs. == IANA_FOO_URL can be used in the description, cross-reference purposes, and importing any available latest version. IANA_FOO_URL_With_REV can be used in revisions or when importing specific version of module (for whatever reason). Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Martin Björklund <mbj+i...@4668.se> > Envoyé : vendredi 8 décembre 2023 09:07 > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> > Cc : netmod@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [netmod] New guidelines for IANA in draft-ietf-netmod- > rfc8407bis > > Hi, > > mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > > > Thanks for raising these points. > > > > Please see inline. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : netmod <netmod-boun...@ietf.org> De la part de Martin > Björklund > > > Envoyé : jeudi 7 décembre 2023 17:05 À : netmod@ietf.org Objet : > > > [netmod] New guidelines for IANA in draft-ietf-netmod- rfc8407bis > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > There has been some discussion with IANA on the YANG doctors list > > > regarding this text in section 4.8 in RFC 8407: > > > > > > A "revision" statement MUST be present for each published > version > > > of > > > the module. The "revision" statement MUST have a "reference" > > > substatement. It MUST identify the published document that > > > contains > > > the module. > > > > > > (the same text is present in rfc8407bis) > > > > > > It continues with the motivation behind the rule: > > > > > > Modules are often extracted from their original > > > documents, and it is useful for developers and operators to > know > > > how > > > to find the original source document in a consistent manner. > > > > > > As can be seen in e.g., > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww% > 2F&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e99790 > 808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63837619675 > 3722174%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC > JBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Fxf8A2Rg8DoawhFAJqe > xoKe%2BReEruxK23PK1BYY5UAQ%3D&reserved=0. > > > iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-parameters%2Fiana-dns-class-rr- > > > type%402023-11- > > > > 08.yang&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Ccf5ad65dd26d > > > 4a > > > > e3a1f508dbf73e4f79%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > > > 75 > > > > 619746432780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > > > uM > > > > zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=X6s86KFMCkdu > > > 03 Z6hne6g16fU405pTiLPhv5gZYZV4k%3D&reserved=0, > > > this rule has not been followed. > > > > > > The discussion ended with the recommendation to IANA to always add > a > > > "reference" statement that refers to the published module (e.g., > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww% > 2F&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e99790 > 808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63837619675 > 3722174%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC > JBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Fxf8A2Rg8DoawhFAJqe > xoKe%2BReEruxK23PK1BYY5UAQ%3D&reserved=0. > > > iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-parameters%2Fiana-dns-class-rr- > > > type%402023-11- > > > > 08.yang&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Ccf5ad65dd26d > > > 4a > > > > e3a1f508dbf73e4f79%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > > > 75 > > > > 619746432780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > > > uM > > > > zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=X6s86KFMCkdu > > > 03 Z6hne6g16fU405pTiLPhv5gZYZV4k%3D&reserved=0). > > > > > > If people agree that this is the correct solution, I think we > should > > > update 8407bis with this. > > > > > > Specifically, I suggest to change 4.30.3.1 and 4.30.3.2: > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > > When the "iana-foo" YANG module is updated, a new "revision" > > > statement with a unique revision date must be added in front of > the > > > existing revision statements. > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > > When the "iana-foo" YANG module is updated, a new "revision" > > > statement with a unique revision date must be added in front of > the > > > existing revision statements. The "revision" statement must have > a > > > "reference" substatement that to the published module (e.g., > > > ...) > > > > > > > > > > [Med] Looks reasonable to me. As you can see in the proposed PR > (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit > hub.com%2Fboucadair%2Frfc8407bis%2Fpull%2F31%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmo > hamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7 > a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638376196753878412%7CUnknown%7C > TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C14SqlE34qDH8wVo9rB271oY%2FqO80sSfBk1oi > XCMjBI%3D&reserved=0) I went with a slightly modified wording because > we do already have the following to refer to the link to be used: > > > > Examples of IANA URLs from where to retrieve the latest version > of an > > IANA-maintained module are: [IANA_BGP-L2_URL], [IANA_PW- > Types_URL], > > and [IANA_BFD_URL]. [IANA_FOO_URL] is used in the following to > refer > > to such URLs. These URLs are expected to be sufficiently > permanent > > and stable. > > I cannot find the reference [IANA_FOO_URL]. If we assume that it is > similar to [IANA_PW-Types_URL], it would be: > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fiana-foo%2Fiana- > foo.xhtml&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e3 > 4e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > 76196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LautcTkhE%2B > UMJ2V2iNkebAF5rUKyu2Y%2Btu8ys%2F01HjI%3D&reserved=0 > > This points to the "meta" page for the module, which has a pointer to > the latest version of the YANG module. > > I don't think it makes sense to put this URL in the "reference" > statement in each revision, b/c it would be: > > revision 2023-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fiana-foo%2Fiana- > foo.xhtml&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e3 > 4e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > 76196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LautcTkhE%2B > UMJ2V2iNkebAF5rUKyu2Y%2Btu8ys%2F01HjI%3D&reserved=0"; > } > revision 2022-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fiana-foo%2Fiana- > foo.xhtml&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e3 > 4e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > 76196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LautcTkhE%2B > UMJ2V2iNkebAF5rUKyu2Y%2Btu8ys%2F01HjI%3D&reserved=0"; > } > revision 2020-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fiana-foo%2Fiana- > foo.xhtml&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e3 > 4e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6383 > 76196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l > uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LautcTkhE%2B > UMJ2V2iNkebAF5rUKyu2Y%2Btu8ys%2F01HjI%3D&reserved=0"; > } > > The proposal was to use the url to the module itself: > > revision 2023-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-parameters%2Fiana-foo%402023-04- > 01.yang&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e > 99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638376 > 196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM > zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=D1zmBaf6eFt0A7 > NwI30vPkuu1OAee%2BXiG28ywkb1yJw%3D&reserved=0"; > } > revision 2022-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-parameters%2Fiana-foo%402022-04- > 01.yang&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e > 99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638376 > 196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM > zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NbP00VMflUnqSj > %2BVhKRinwU07qBOWq%2BosbMxTSaaJkA%3D&reserved=0"; > } > revision 2020-04-01 { > reference > > "https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww > .iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-parameters%2Fiana-foo%402020-04- > 01.yang&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e > 99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638376 > 196753878412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM > zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gploWqV0nCAPLi > fGYwzZGkvlUU1DhI%2BA9aVlLGppig8%3D&reserved=0"; > } > > > However, it would be useful to have the "meta" URL somewhere in the > document; in the "description" of the module, or "reference". > > > > > > > > The change is consistent with this part of the bis: > > > > If an IANA-maintained module is imported by another module, a > > normative reference with the IANA URL from where to retrieve the > > IANA-maintained module SHOULD be included. Although not > encouraged, > > referencing the RFC that defines the initial version of the IANA > > module is acceptable in specific cases (e.g., the imported > version is > > specifically the initial version, ... > > > > > > > > > > > Further, some IANA modules use the IETF template for the module's > > > "description", see e.g., > > > > > > That module has in its "description": > > > > > > This version of this YANG module is part of RFC 8294; see > > > the RFC itself for full legal notices."; > > > > > > But that is not correct. Other module use this instead: > > > > > > The initial version of this YANG module is part of RFC 7224; > > > see the RFC itself for full legal notices."; > > > > > > I think 8407bis should recommend that IANA-maintained modules use > > > this wording instead. > > > > > > > [Med] Good point. Made this change so far: > > > > OLD: > > For both cases, the document that defines an IANA-maintained > module > > MUST include a note indicating that the document is only > documenting > > the initial version of the module and that the authoritative > version > > is to be retrieved from the IANA registry. > > > > NEW: > > For both cases, the document that defines an IANA-maintained > module > > MUST include a note indicating that the document is only > documenting > > the initial version of the module and that the authoritative > version > > is to be retrieved from the IANA registry. Also, the IANA- > maintained > > module MUST include the following note indicating the RFC that > > registered the initial version of the IANA- maintained module: > > > > The initial version of this YANG module is part of RFC IIII; > > see the RFC itself for full legal notices. > > > > The full change can be see here: > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith > > > ub.com%2Fboucadair%2Frfc8407bis%2Fpull%2F32%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmoh > > > amed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C8778e705b2e34e99790808dbf7c4c75c%7C90c7a > > > 20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638376196753878412%7CUnknown%7CT > > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI > > > 6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GtsRvNaOfBWj21RhsZnG72MpKR9i53FgBw8Q3MCZ > > mqg%3D&reserved=0 > > Ok. Perhaps we should include an explicit template for IANA- > maintained modules in an appendix, just like we do with IETF-modules > in appendix B? > > > /martin ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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