Whoops Sorry yes it should have read Hermann Nitsch On 11 Sep 2018, at 14:02, bronac ferran <bron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has Hermann become Friedrich here? > Or is it vice versa? > > On 11 September 2018 at 08:56, David Garcia > <d.gar...@new-tactical-research.co.uk> wrote: > Yes thanks Florian- so interesting to read this mangling of Gramsci by > Yiannopolous. The extraordinary images of him cavorting in a bath of > pig’s blood in a scandalously naive (or simply cynical) NY Chelsea gallery, > purportedly > mourning the lives lost to Islamic fundementalism- he looked for all the > world like > a "bargain basement" Herman Nietzsche. This plumbed new depths of shock/kitch > (is > that a genre there days- looking at Yiannopolous’s erstwhile friend Lucien > Wintrich > photo series Twinks for Trump its beginning to look that way). > Actually this hides the more serious development that Yiannopolous’s tactics > have > re-purposed the venerable Camp sensibility which he cleverly connects with > Lulz, as > sharing the ability to be shocking whilst simultaneously using their > respective modes > as solvents to neutralize moral indignation. > > 1. A couple of asides at the end of last year Wolfgang Streeck wrote a very > interesting piece for London review of Books called ‘You Need a Gun’ which > argued that Gramsci concept of hegemony could not be understood if it were > seen > to be coercion free- but that coercion takes many forms with violence as a > background > option always available if all else fails. Though there is much that there > may be much > that Bannon and the other Gramscian’s of the new American far right get wrong > but this > is one aspect they have understood quite well. > > 2. This is quite tenuous association but listening to your talk I thought of > the English Marxist > philosopher Peter Dews’s book -The Idea of Evil- interrogates a certain bias > in history > and political thought that ‘people who are pessiistic about human nature tend > to be > right wing, while left wing thinkers tend to be optimistic about human nature > (in Dews’s > view naively so) in a recent interview Dews declared that he wanted to > disrupt this > alignment.. Whilst listening to your talk in Berlin I wondered if there was > something like an > exploration of the affective consequences of such a re-alignment in your talk > and the questions > that this might ask of us. > > Best > > David > > > > > On 10 Sep 2018, at 23:58, Florian Cramer <flrnc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, David - as I said in the discussion in Berlin, Stewart and I ended up >> in a weird place where we practically taught the "Alt-Right" its own history. >> One shouldn't read too much into its grasp of Gramsci though. This is what >> Milo >> Yiannopolous wrote about him in the original manuscript of his book >> 'Dangerous' (that Simon & Schuster ended up not publishing): >> And so, in the 1920s, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci decided that the >> time had come for a new form of revolution -- one based on culture, not >> class. According to Gramsci, the reason why the proletariat had failed to >> rise up was because old, conservative ideas like loyalty to one's country, >> family values, and religion held too much sway in working-class communities. >> If that sounds familiar to Obama's comment about guns and religion, that's >> because it should. His line of thinking, as we shall see, is directly >> descended from the ideological tradition of Gramsci. Gramsci argued that as a >> precursor to revolution, the old traditions of the west -- or the 'cultural >> hegemony,' as he called it -- would have to be systematically broken down. To >> do so, Gramsci argued that "proletarian" intellectuals should seek to >> challenge the dominance of traditionalism in education and the media, and >> create a new revolutionary culture. Gramsci's ideas would prove phenomenally >> influential. If you've ever wondered why forced to take diversity or gender >> studies courses at university, or why your professors all seem to hate >> western civilization ... Well ' ..new you knew who to blame Gramsci. >> (Because of the lawsuit, the manuscript is publicly available here: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjc0n5dll244o2w/Milo%20Y%20book%20with%20edits.pdf?dl=0 >> ) >> -F >> -- >> blog: https://pod.thing.org/people/13a6057015b90136f896525400cd8561 >> bio: http://floriancramer.nl >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > > > -- > Bronaċ > >
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