Hi Renée, RE: I tend to make egregious typos & grammatical mistakes that I don't catch until it's about a week later. Same with me, i'm dyslexic and much prefer making and programming as a way to understand the world. On social media, particularly Twitter, I've learnt not to worry so much, though Nettime is a more intimidating space... Tom
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, at 6:20 AM, Renée Lynn Reizman wrote: > Been a lurker on here for about 2 years. I am constantly thrilled by the > names I see popping up on this listserv. Seems like there are many members on > here who write or create things I admire. The conversations can be a bit > intimidating sometimes, but mostly I avoid chiming in because I tend to make > egregious typos & grammatical mistakes that I don't catch until it's about a > week later. > > Anyways, just wanted to say hello! > > Renée > http://www.reneereizman.com > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM <nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org> wrote: >> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >> nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it. >> (v...@voyd.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 12:47:10 -0400 >> From: v...@voyd.com >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> Message-ID: >> <1560098830.vqwx9ks2884g4...@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Sean and all for these salient replies. >> I have often been active here, but had been offline more than I like >> related to living in Arabia; some things you'd imagine, others not. More >> than anything else, I have been creating a VR research center and doing a >> snowstorm of paperwork. My intentions are to be here more, as my research is >> revving up again. >> >> I value Nettime a great deal in that it remains one of the places where a >> high concentration of fine minds, whether they pop in or out like virtual >> particles int he cyber-aether, usually pop out clear thought. >> >> Another thing is that for the past three years, I have been traveling into >> Central Asia, Married an Iranian, coming to know the Eastern Hemisphere, and >> seeing what Geert Lovink and I had long discussions on here in Abu Dhabi >> relating the slide of Krokerian Bimodernism to American global colonial war >> capitalism under the Plan for the New American Century to the collapse into >> spheres of influence with the rise of Trump. Actually a lot more than >> this, but the flood of understanding has taken a while to coalesce. >> >> Looking forward to more conversation. >> >> >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 15:21:58 +0000, Sean Cubitt wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I've been active long ago, and lurking for a decade or more, with only >> sporadic comments and adds: this look like a good prod to get us silent >> majority out of the closet. >> >> >> >> the thing that keeps nettime valuable is a) the >> contributors, timeliness, and swift smart dialogues and b) that >> there still seems to be a common purpose. >> >> >> >> social media start taking the forefront about ten years ago. The >> neo-populist right begins to replace the neo-liberal right about ten years >> ago. Is there some shared diagram? >> >> >> >> Other lists died for their own reasons: one because it seemed like >> everything interesting was on blogs, back when the blogosphere was a thing. >> Another because a concept / art movement / political trajectory could be >> exhausted so fast it scarcely seemed worth inventing new concepts etc. >> >> >> >> Mailing lists are asynchronous, which is great: more time to think; less >> kudos for fast reaction times. More consideration in every sense of the word >> >> >> >> in a few days I'll try to post something closer than this reflection on the >> medium to what I think this list is for: the aesthetics, politics >> and aesthetic politics of the early C21st -- consideration, >> wonder and hope >> >> >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org <nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org >> <mailto:lt%3bnettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org>> on behalf of >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org <nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >> <mailto:lt%3bnettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org>> >> Sent: 08 June 2019 15:45 >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Subject: nettime-l Digest, Vol 141, Issue 11 >> >> >> >> >> >> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >> nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> nettime-l Info Page - mx.kein.org >> >> mx.kein.org >> >> -- a moderated mailing list for net criticism <nettime> is not just a >> mailing list but an effort to formulate an international, networked >> discourse that neither promotes a dominant euphoria (to sell products) nor >> continues the cynical pessimism, spread by journalists and intellectuals in >> the 'old' media who generalize about 'new' media with no clear understanding >> of their communication aspects ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> (John Preston) >> 2. The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; >> throws in the towel (Bruce Sterling) >> 3. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> (John Preston) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 15:06:56 +0100 >> From: John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> Message-ID: <07a59428-bf8f-419b-841a-ea06bddb2...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3b07a59428-bf8f-419b-841a-ea06bddb2...@riseup.net>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Just forwarding this up. >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> From: Karim Brohi <ka...@trauma.org <mailto:lt%3bka...@trauma.org>> >> Sent: 8 June 2019 14:35:45 BST >> To: John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> >> Nettime is in bad shape - as are most (all?) of the email based discussion >> groups on the Interwebs now. >> I run another mailing list, started in 1995 in a medical specialty area- - >> which finds itself in the same state. Back then email was cool. >> Now, for >> most, email tends to be a flood of work stuff and a pseudo todo list. >> Drafting an email is now work, and not associated with pleasure or pure >> intellectual pursuit. >> >> But there's no other suitable medium either. Social media platforms >> are >> too brief to develop ideas. Too easy to fire back "your idea is >> stupid". >> Blog posts and newsletters are too one-sided. Developed/owned by a >> specific individual/group of individuals, Comments never have the same >> precedence as the original post. The post 'belongs' to the >> originator, not >> to the community. >> >> Maybe usenet/google groups comes close, but nobody uses them - perhaps >> because there's no (effective) 'app for that', and there has to be an >> active process of logging in. (Email alerts end up in... email). >> >> In brief - I think it's the medium not the message. The whole Internet >> needs a new medium that encourages long-form discourse and thereby deep >> community. That was email, but now it isn't email. I don't know >> what is >> now. >> >> Karim >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 21:34, John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> wrote: >> >> > Just adding my two cents, as per the call. :) >> > >> > I only discovered nettime in the last few months. I'm a computer-child, >> > I've grown up on the net, and one of the people who now take a more >> > conservative or critical approach to tech. I came here because I am >> trying >> > to develop as an artist, working with the net as a medium and >> reflecting >> > critically on the net and its constituent parts. I don't post in to >> every >> > thread because a lot of the time I don't have anything worthwhile to >> add, >> > but I appreciate reading: most of the contributions on this list are >> really >> > insightful. >> > >> > The fact that people are posting meta threads like this is a good sign >> to >> > me, I appreciate a community that can take a critical view of itself. >> If >> > nettime does rap up, let me know where you all go, I'd like to talk >> more. :) >> > >> > John >> > >> > On 7 June 2019 18:38:46 BST, nettime mod squad <nett...@kein.org >> <mailto:lt%3bnett...@kein.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Nettime is in bad shape, don't you think? >> >> >> >> It has still a lot of goodwill, and more generally there's renewed >> >> interest in formats of exchange and collective thinking that >> >> aren't defined by the logic of social media. But the dynamics that >> >> social media companies exploit are hardly limited to a handful of >> >> platforms. For example, nettime has its own 'influencers' -- a 1%, >> >> so to speak -- who generate the vast majority of list traffic. >> >> That's been true for years. The discussions they sustain may >> >> variously seem interesting or annoying, but either way they've >> >> become somewhat formulaic. An attentive reader knows more or less >> >> what to expect based solely the subject and the sender; and even >> >> meta-discussions about whether the list is dominated or by this or >> >> that tendency are largely dominated by the same few people. >> >> >> >> Some might argue the debates that have animated nettime over the >> >> last year -- the trajectories of postwar society, neoliberalism, >> >> the 'digital,' complexity, surveillance and big tech, Brexit, >> >> media and elections, Assange, even the Anthropocene in all its >> >> terrifying inclusiveness -- are the defining issues of the day. >> >> Maybe so. But if the nettime project had settled for a consensus >> >> model of the defining issues of the mid-'90s, it would never have >> >> gotten off the ground, and it certainly wouldn't exist almost 25 >> >> years later. The challenge, we think, is to maintain a space that >> >> attracts ill-defined ideas and uncertain issues -- things and >> >> not-things that don't quite exist yet and yet haven't been buried >> >> under torrents of authority and theory. >> >> >> >> So, what can we do? >> >> >> >> In the past, we've asked people to think about outreach -- say, >> >> inviting new people from new contexts. It seems like that's had >> >> limited success; but at a time when nettime has been limping >> >> along, it's hard to get excited about inviting people to join an >> >> environment so heavily defined by habit. We've also joked that >> >> shutting it down before it fades into complete senescence might be >> >> best. But that joke wasn't really funny, in part because it wasn't >> >> meant to be: it was a way of expressing serious concerns about the >> >> list's increasingly parochial status. >> >> >> >> Now, we have a simple proposal: let's switch roles. >> >> >> >> It goes like this: >> >> >> >> If you've posted more than others to the list in the last 60 or 90 >> >> or 120 or 180 days -- the math matters less than the spirit -- take >> >> a break. Let others define nettime, a space made up of nearly 5000 >> >> subscribers. >> >> >> >> If you haven't posted to the list -- say, because it seemed like >> >> your ideas, concerns, or whatever you want to share wouldn't fit >> >> with nettime's habits -- maybe that will change. >> >> >> >> Think of it as an un-grand experiment: a way to see what else >> >> might happen, who else might speak, what less familiar ideas, >> >> perspectives, or styles might spring up. Maybe the list will fade >> >> into silence, and we'll be left with a paradoxical object, a list >> >> composed *entirely* of lurkers -- not such a bad non-end for >> >> nettime. Or maybe not. There might be many ways to find out. For >> >> now, rather than the 1% debating how narrowly to define good >> >> manners, let's see if a different 'we' can change things. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- the mod squad (Ted and Felix) >> >> >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net >> criticism, >> >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the >> nets >> >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> >> <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>>; # >> archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in >> Subject: >> >> >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net >> criticism, >> > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>; # archive: >> http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20190608/490390ed/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:21:37 +0200 >> From: Bruce Sterling <bru...@well.com <mailto:lt%3bbru...@well.com>> >> To: nettim...@kein.org >> Subject: <nettime> The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate >> sponsors; throws in the towel >> Message-ID: <a342ce24-4f26-441e-bdbe-38f833458...@well.com >> <mailto:lt%3ba342ce24-4f26-441e-bdbe-38f833458...@well.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> *Well, so much for the O?Reilly Web 2.0 version of popular mechanics. >> Fifteen years is not too bad a run by the standards of an increasingly >> jittery California Ideology. Now what? ? Bruce S >> >> >> Maker Media goes broke >> https://hackaday.com/2019/06/07/maker-media-ceases-operations/ >> >> Over the years we?ve had the dubious honor of bidding farewell to numerous >> companies that held a special place in the hearts of hackers and makers. >> We?ve borne witness to the demise of Radio Shack, TechShop, and PrintrBot, >> and even shed a tear or two when Toys ?R? Us shut their doors. But as much >> as it hurt to see those companies go, nothing quite compares to this. Today >> we?ve learned that Maker Media has ceased operations. >> >> Between the first issue of Make magazine in 2005 and the inaugural Maker >> Faire a year later, Maker Media deftly cultured the public face of the >> ?maker movement? for over a decade. They didn?t create maker culture, but >> there?s no question that they put a spotlight on this part of the larger >> tech world. In fact, it?s not an exaggeration to say that the shuttering of >> Maker Media could have far reaching consequences that we won?t fully >> understand for years. >> >> While this news will surely come as a crushing blow to many in the >> community, Maker Media founder and CEO Dale Dougherty says they?re still >> trying to put the pieces together. ?I started the magazine and I?m committed >> to keeping that going because it means something to a lot of people and >> means something to me.? At this point, Dale tells us that Maker Media is >> officially in a state of insolvency. This is an important distinction, and >> means that the company still has a chance to right the ship before being >> forced to declare outright bankruptcy. >> >> In layman?s terms, the fate of Make magazine and Maker Faire is currently >> uncertain? >> >> *** >> >> https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/07/make-magazine-maker-media-layoffs/ >> >> Financial troubles have forced Maker Media, the company behind crafting >> publication MAKE: magazine as well as the science and art festival Maker >> Faire, to lay off its entire staff of 22 and pause all operations. >> TechCrunch was tipped off to Maker Media?s unfortunate situation which was >> then confirmed by the company?s founder and CEO Dale Dougherty. >> >> For 15 years, MAKE: guided adults and children through step-by-step >> do-it-yourself crafting and science projects, and it was central to the >> maker movement. Since 2006, Maker Faire?s 200 owned and licensed events per >> year in over 40 countries let attendees wander amidst giant, inspiring art >> and engineering installations?. >> >> ?Maker Media Inc ceased operations this week and let go of all of its >> employees ? about 22 employees? Dougherty tells TechCrunch. ?I started this >> 15 years ago and it?s always been a struggle as a business to make this >> work. Print publishing is not a great business for anybody, but it >> works?barely. Events are hard ? there was a drop off in corporate >> sponsorship.? Microsoft and Autodesk failed to sponsor this year?s flagship >> Bay Area Maker Faire?. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 07:45:08 -0700 >> From: John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can >> change it. >> Message-ID: <f8f8006bb46447a36e1e1a7d5171f...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bf8f8006bb46447a36e1e1a7d5171f...@riseup.net>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Each medium of communication has a different quality and bandwidth about >> it, and we can use a multitude of media -- nettime doesn't have to be >> /just/ a mailing list. Some of us might be better able to contribute via >> IRC or other more real-time media. >> >> John >> >> On 2019-06-08 15:06, John Preston wrote: >> >> > Just forwarding this up. >> > >> > ------------------------- >> > FROM: Karim Brohi <ka...@trauma.org >> <mailto:lt%3bka...@trauma.org>> >> > SENT: 8 June 2019 14:35:45 BST >> > TO: John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> >> > SUBJECT: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we >> can change it. >> > >> > Nettime is in bad shape - as are most (all?) of the email based >> discussion groups on the Interwebs now. >> > I run another mailing list, started in 1995 in a medical specialty >> area- - which finds itself in the same state. Back then email was >> cool. Now, for most, email tends to be a flood of work stuff and a >> pseudo todo list. Drafting an email is now work, and not associated >> with pleasure or pure intellectual pursuit. >> > >> > But there's no other suitable medium either. Social media >> platforms are too brief to develop ideas. Too easy to fire back "your >> idea is stupid". Blog posts and newsletters are too one-sided. >> Developed/owned by a specific individual/group of individuals, Comments >> never have the same precedence as the original post. The post >> 'belongs' to the originator, not to the community. >> > >> > Maybe usenet/google groups comes close, but nobody uses them - perhaps >> because there's no (effective) 'app for that', and there has to be an active >> process of logging in. (Email alerts end up in... email). >> > >> > In brief - I think it's the medium not the message. The whole >> Internet needs a new medium that encourages long-form discourse and thereby >> deep community. That was email, but now it isn't email. I don't >> know what is now. >> > >> > Karim >> > >> > On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 21:34, John Preston <wcerf...@riseup.net >> <mailto:lt%3bwcerf...@riseup.net>> wrote: >> > Just adding my two cents, as per the call. :) >> > >> > I only discovered nettime in the last few months. I'm a >> computer-child, I've grown up on the net, and one of the people who now take >> a more conservative or critical approach to tech. I came here because I am >> trying to develop as an artist, working with the net as a medium and >> reflecting critically on the net and its constituent parts. I don't post in >> to every thread because a lot of the time I don't have anything worthwhile >> to add, but I appreciate reading: most of the contributions on this list are >> really insightful. >> > >> > The fact that people are posting meta threads like this is a good sign >> to me, I appreciate a community that can take a critical view of itself. If >> nettime does rap up, let me know where you all go, I'd like to talk more. :) >> > >> > John >> > >> > On 7 June 2019 18:38:46 BST, nettime mod squad <nett...@kein.org >> <mailto:lt%3bnett...@kein.org>> wrote: >> > >> > Nettime is in bad shape, don't you think? >> > >> > It has still a lot of goodwill, and more generally there's renewed >> > interest in formats of exchange and collective thinking that >> > aren't defined by the logic of social media. But the dynamics that >> > social media companies exploit are hardly limited to a handful of >> > platforms. For example, nettime has its own 'influencers' -- a 1%, >> > so to speak -- who generate the vast majority of list traffic. >> > That's been true for years. The discussions they sustain may >> > variously seem interesting or annoying, but either way they've >> > become somewhat formulaic. An attentive reader knows more or less >> > what to expect based solely the subject and the sender; and even >> > meta-discussions about whether the list is dominated or by this or >> > that tendency are largely dominated by the same few people. >> > >> > Some might argue the debates that have animated nettime over the >> > last year -- the trajectories of postwar society, neoliberalism, >> > the 'digital,' complexity, surveillance and big tech, Brexit, >> > media and elections, Assange, even the Anthropocene in all its >> > terrifying inclusiveness -- are the defining issues of the day. >> > Maybe so. But if the nettime project had settled for a consensus >> > model of the defining issues of the mid-'90s, it would never have >> > gotten off the ground, and it certainly wouldn't exist almost 25 >> > years later. The challenge, we think, is to maintain a space that >> > attracts ill-defined ideas and uncertain issues -- things and >> > not-things that don't quite exist yet and yet haven't been buried >> > under torrents of authority and theory. >> > >> > So, what can we do? >> > >> > In the past, we've asked people to think about outreach -- say, >> > inviting new people from new contexts. It seems like that's had >> > limited success; but at a time when nettime has been limping >> > along, it's hard to get excited about inviting people to join an >> > environment so heavily defined by habit. We've also joked that >> > shutting it down before it fades into complete senescence might be >> > best. But that joke wasn't really funny, in part because it wasn't >> > meant to be: it was a way of expressing serious concerns about the >> > list's increasingly parochial status. >> > >> > Now, we have a simple proposal: let's switch roles. >> > >> > It goes like this: >> > >> > If you've posted more than others to the list in the last 60 or 90 >> > or 120 or 180 days -- the math matters less than the spirit -- take >> > a break. Let others define nettime, a space made up of nearly 5000 >> > subscribers. >> > >> > If you haven't posted to the list -- say, because it seemed like >> > your ideas, concerns, or whatever you want to share wouldn't fit >> > with nettime's habits -- maybe that will change. >> > >> > Think of it as an un-grand experiment: a way to see what else >> > might happen, who else might speak, what less familiar ideas, >> > perspectives, or styles might spring up. Maybe the list will fade >> > into silence, and we'll be left with a paradoxical object, a list >> > composed *entirely* of lurkers -- not such a bad non-end for >> > nettime. Or maybe not. There might be many ways to find out. For >> > now, rather than the 1% debating how narrowly to define good >> > manners, let's see if a different 'we' can change things. >> > >> > -- the mod squad (Ted and Felix) >> > >> > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net >> criticism, >> > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>; # archive: >> http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net >> criticism, >> > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>>; # archive: >> http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> #  <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l# >; archive: >> http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without >> permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> >> End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 141, Issue 11 >> ****************************************** >> >> >> >> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission >> # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20190609/e0c01c2f/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> >> End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 141, Issue 14 >> ****************************************** > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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