Lol why is it that every time there's a right wing resurgence, some edge lord academic wants to revive latin?
On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:04 PM Keith Sanborn <mrz...@panix.com> wrote: > Well, doesn’t one have to assume the proposition was presented as an > ironic gesture? > > I can’t really judge the sophistication of the schoolboy phrase presented > on the basis of style but in the age of machine translation it was easily > decoded by google translate. > > Consider the source. > > On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Garnet Hertz <garnethe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Retreating into a dead language is the most idiotic thing I've heard in a > while - unless this is a symbolic parody of how isolated much of the > academic humanities is. Why not just stick w the outdated 1970s critical > theory that everyone already regularly invokes? > > Garnet Hertz > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 11:44 AM Iain Boal <b...@sonic.net> wrote: > >> Eheu Sean, >> >> As you say, 'Obscurity, especially in latin, is not a guarantee of >> anything.’ A training in Latin used to be regarded as a portal to the >> full resources of the English language, which is in effect a post-1066 >> Anglo-Norman creole. Historically this involved a training in “classics” >> (no accident that “classics” is cognate with “class”) and typically >> correlated with a privileged education. >> >> The Welsh critic and *tribunus plebis* Raymond Williams grappled head-on >> with the problem of English as a two-tiered diglossia. (He was looking in >> at English from the outside, approaching the language as a native Welsh >> speaker.) He saw clearly the problems produced by a language with class >> inscribed so deeply in the structure, and for that reason he suggested a >> regular column in the *Tribune* newspaper on 'difficult' words, >> especially those with polysyllabic Greek and Latin roots. The editors >> turned the proposal down, and so Williams published *Keywords*, never >> having had the chance to take on, in the pages of *Tribune*, what he >> thought was the disastrous policy of George Orwell, who had suggested that >> proletarians (or ‘nobodies’, in Morlock’s formula) stick to simple >> Anglo-Saxon monosyllables, more honest and less liable to fall into >> Stalinist obscurantism and gobbledegook. Williams considered this strategy >> a bogus and condescending populism that was all too easy a recommendation >> coming from the dissident Etonian and classical scholar Eric Blair. >> Ironically, learning Latin was, for Williams, a means to the precise >> antithesis of Morlock’s conceited proposal. >> >> Iain >> >> >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 07:14, Sean Cubitt <s.cub...@gold.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Eheu Morlock >> >> sadly you picked the wrong language: the UK premiere B Johnson has made a >> habit of adding latin tags to his outrageous posh-boy persona behind which >> hides a refusal to publish a budget, the official financial predictions for >> Brexit, the results of an enquiry into alleged financial impropriety and >> the results of a major enquiry into Russian interference and donations to >> his party. Obscurity, especially in latin, is not a gurantee of anything >> >> perhaps ancient Greek . . . >> >> Sean Cubitt >> Goldsmiths, University of London >> (U of Melbourne from Jan 2020) >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org <nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org> >> on behalf of nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org < >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org> >> *Sent:* 10 November 2019 11:00 >> *To:* nettime-l@mail.kein.org <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> >> *Subject:* nettime-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 >> >> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >> nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Latin as revolutionary act? (Morlock Elloi) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 14:48:36 -0800 >> From: Morlock Elloi <morlockel...@gmail.com> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Subject: <nettime> Latin as revolutionary act? >> Message-ID: <5dc74244.8090...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> What would be consequences of using Latin language among >> group/clique/cabal/underground/elite for discourse, publishing, idea >> exchange, tweets? (let's ignore for the moment how does one get the >> above set to learn Latin) >> >> First of all, the noise goes down, as there is intellectual effort >> barrier involved. Feeble-minded, distracted, low IQ, vacuous, and other >> nobodies are out. It would be like early Internet (1990s) - only nice >> and interesting people, no rabble. Only more resilient, because the >> 'price' of learning tongue will never go down, unlike computer equipment >> and access. >> >> Second, the cross-pollution from deluge of mechanically augmented media >> firehoses goes way down. Language is the medium, and, of course, the >> medium is the message. It's much harder to influence those thinking in a >> foreign tongue. >> >> Third, the isolated hermetic nature of such setup would allow thinking >> to mature, being spared from cretinous cheering and booing from the >> unwashed crowd. 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