"As a one-time theoretical physicist, I find this quote from Gosden to be 
out-dated, overly reductive, and incorrect, at least as far as the most 
thoughtful scientists go."

Hmm. Well, there are thoughtful scientists who would immediately recognise in 
the Gosden gobbet the story of the late 20th century 'vital sciences’. This 
mid-century coinage was Warren Weaver's (rainmaker and moneybags of the 
Rockefeller foundation); he conjured up the field later redubbed 'molecular 
biology'. After the shame of Hiroshima the physicists who moved into biology, 
in the wake of Schrödinger's Dublin manifesto entitled “What is Life?”, mostly 
internalised Weaver’s programmatic invocation of the successes of wartime 
code-breaking, importing the congenial metaphorics of cryptanalysis and its 
fundamental scriptism. The cult of the atom/gene and nucleic acid was, it might 
be said, an opportunist projection indeed "derived from abstraction” - with its 
now outdated, overly reductive and incorrect 'central dogma'. No question, it 
bore several decades of low-hanging fruit for the new “men of letters”,  the 
alphabetic priesthood of biotech/synbio startups and money managers, but has 
proved a terrible loss, agnotologically speaking, for organismic natural 
history, and in general disastrous for a biology worthy of the name. 
   
Darwin, by the way, was hardly shocked by evolution - his scientific 
grandfather Erasmus was an evolutionist. A true shock for Darwin the 
naturalist, amounting perhaps to a pagan epiphany, was delivered by John Gould, 
the ‘bird man’, who worked furiously in the museum of the Zoological Society 
during the fortnight following the arrival on January 4th 1837 of the 
consignment of Galapagos specimens, whose evolution had been insulated from the 
continental mainland. Based primarily on beak morphology Gould - ornithologist 
to the British empire and Victoria’s gardener/taxidermist - identified thirteen 
kinds of finches. (This number was later reduced to nine; some proved to be 
mocking birds.) Nevertheless for Darwin, already alert to the role of 
biogeography in the stunning variety of living forms, this verdict by a trusted 
friend and zoologist provided decisive evidence of the thoroughgoing natural 
instability, non-fixity, and yes, destruction/extinction of species, a reality 
not easily imagined by English gentlemen, even those who spent their days 
breeding variegation into animals and plants. The Beagle's circumnavigation of 
the globe on hydrographic imperial business was unable to dislodge the 
commitment of its squire-naturalist to the psychic unity of humankind and the 
‘sacred cause' of abolition. What could not survive was any belief in the 
biblical account, in the mythos at the heart of Christian geogony.

For a liberation biology,
Iain      

On 8 Dec 2021, at 22:59, Michael Goldhaber <mich...@goldhaber.org> wrote:

As a one-time theoretical physicist, I find this quote from Gosden to be 
out-dated, overly reductive, and incorrect, at least as far as the most 
thoughtful scientists go.

Scientific understanding doesn’t “derive from abstraction,” but rather the 
other way round. It doesn’t separate humans from the world , but rather 
emphasizes our total embededness in it. It is no coincidence that almost all 
aspects of the current environmental movement, whether against the destruction 
of species , the concerns about global warming, the dire effects of plastics, 
etc.,  come from scientific observations. Nor is it  any coincidence that 
scientists for the most part are instigators and fervent supporters of that 
movement. 

Darwin, after all, is generally considered a scientist, yet the most basic and 
originally shocking point of evolutionary theory is that we are related to all 
other living things.  Ethologists constantly emphasize how close we are in 
behavior to other animals , etc., etc., etc. And, by the way, since Einstein 
physicists have agreed that matter and energy are the same.

Best,

Michael

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 2:15 PM, mp <m...@aktivix.org <mailto:m...@aktivix.org>> 
> wrote:
> Scientific understanding
> derives from abstraction, through the quantification of matter, energy
> and force by means of mathematics, but also through logical reasoning
> from elementary starting points, such as Newton’s Laws, towards the true
> profusion of the world. Science separates people from the world, whereas
> magic immerses us in it, raising also questions of our moral
> relationship with the universe in a way that science does not..." (2020: 8).


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