I think the point that Jim is making is that if anyone wanted to build snoop, they could get the source now and do it now. I bet it would not take more than a few hours work to do it. Given that, if there were people that wanted to do anything with snoop, they would already be doing it.
On the other hand, given the small barrier to entry here, it is doubtful that if Sun took on that work of making it into a standalone project, that others would come along and decide at that point to take over the project. And sourceforge might not be ideal. I think they have been closing down dormant projects recently. Darren Reed wrote: > James Carlson wrote: >> Darren Reed wrote: >> >>> James Carlson wrote: >>> >>>> Darren Reed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> How many times have you seen people on the 'web clamour about "why >>>>> didn't they open source it if they're going to discontinue it?"? >>>>> >>>> Sun *DID* open source it -- well over four years ago. No more "open >>>> sourcing" is needed to get snoop out there. >>>> >>> Where can I download snoop.tar.gz >>> >> >> Anyone who wants to can get the source using Mercurial from >> hg.opensolaris.org. >> >> Run tar and gzip. >> > > And the directory tree you get won't build anywhere outside of the ON tree. > > >> ... >> Someone will have to do that work, and it's certainly not trivial. >> >> >>> Or even just to get all of the current decoders, etc, for snoop on >>> Solaris 8, 9 or 10? >>> >> >> Mercurial, qv. >> > > No, mercurial will give me something that compiles as part of ON. > > >>> While it might be "open source'd", because it is all CDDL'd, today it is >>> part of OpenSolaris. To do any work on it today is thus not attractive >>> for anyone outside of Sun. >>> >> >> So it seems you're saying that the fact that nobody's tar'd up that one >> directory and tossed it on a web server is the reason that there's no >> vibrant external snoop development community. It's the one blocking >> issue. They can do all the complicated work of getting a DLPI-dependent >> program running on a non-DLPI system, but Mercurial is a mystery. >> > > Why does everything need to have a "vibrant development community"? > > Statements like that sound like the mutterings of managers and people > who are disconnected with open source. > > >>>> In other words, you've got the cart before the horse. If there is >>>> indeed someone out there who wants to take the snoop sources and run a >>>> new project on sourceforge with them, then more power to that person. >>>> Good luck with it. You (or anyone else; Sun employee or not) can do >>>> that right _now_ without waiting for any special approval or changes in >>>> ON. The source is free for the taking. Today. >>>> >>> I don't believe that we need two projects maintaining a program called >>> "snoop". Furthermore, I can't see how anyone would be attracted to work >>> on something outside of opensolaris when the "official" one is at >>> opensolaris. >>> >> >> I still think you've got the cart before the horse. >> >> Start that external community of wacky snoop believers first, and, if it >> happens, then shutting down the unnecessary one in ON becomes trivial. >> >> If nobody cares -- as it seems to be today -- then it'll never happen. >> > > Well maybe that's not a bad idea - extract snoop from ON, convert it > into something that builds on Solaris 8, 9, 10 and 11 and whack it up on > sourceforge. > > >>>> ... >>>> You can't treat sourceforge (or any other such site) as a virtual India >>>> where out-of-date projects can be sent for death by maintenance. It >>>> won't work. >>>> >>> How do you know that? >>> Has it been tried before? >>> >>> If it hasn't, isn't it worth trying out? >>> >>> As far as I can see, we've got everything to gain and nothing to lose by >>> trying it. >>> >> >> No. Because it's silly. >> > > Why do you say that? > > So far as I can tell, you're making a lot of assumptions about something > that's unknown. > > Darren > -- blu It's bad civic hygiene to build technologies that could someday be used to facilitate a police state. - Bruce Schneier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom _______________________________________________ networking-discuss mailing list [email protected]
