On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Matt Stegman wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Asbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [newbie] using xwindows instead of kde
> 
> 
> > two further simple questions:
> >
> > 1) kdm what is it and how do I 'fire it up'?
> >    what does kdm stand for?
> >    do you mean I just boot up linux and log in as root--and then what?
> >    or do I just go into the kde and do it from there?

Sorry I tend to forget this is the newbie list, I will try to be more
clear in the future.
 
> KDM is, basically, a graphical login prompt.  When logging into your machine
> from KDM, you can also choose your windowing environment.  I believe that
> 'KDM' stands for K Desktop Manager.  You 'fire it up' when init changes to
> runlevel 5.  You can set this to happen whenever your computer boots, by
> changing a line in /etc/inittab - if you look at the file, you should be
> able to figure out where.
>
> There is another graphical login, xdm, which is not specific to any window
> manager (as is KDM).  It, however, will not let you choose your environment.
> I believe Gnome also has a login... probably 'gdm' or something similar.
> That one should let you choose an environment.

Thanks for the clearer description. We've included three Display managers
with the Venus release, kdm, gdm and xdm all of which are startable from
the command line as root.

You may change the default Display manager used when booting into gui mode
(init 5, id:5:initdefault: in /etc/inittab) by changeing to /etc/X11
(as root of course) execute "ls -l prefdm" you will see 
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           17 May 29 09:19 prefdm -> ../../usr/bin/kdm*
(thats our symlink to which one we want)
execute "ln -sf `which dm_here` prefdm" dm_here should be replaced by kdm
gdm or xdm which ever you would like


 
> > basic questions I know!
> >
> > 2) What other windows managers does linux-mandrake come with other
> >    than the kde?
> 
> Off the top of my head, I can think of WindowMaker, AfterStep,
> Enlightenment, Gnome (which isn't actually a window manager, just a desktop
> environment- it tends to like Enlightenment as a window manager), FVWM95 or
> 2 (not sure which), AnotherLevel, and probably one or two more that I can't
> think of.  You certainly have a lot to choose from.  Most of these contain
> some utility to switch from one environment to another- or you can use the
> command-line utility 'desktopcfg' which will change your default.  Or, as
> mentioned above, you can choose an environment when you log in to KDM.

Window managers included Icewm, fvwm, fvwm2, windowmaker, enlightenment,
afterstep, anotherlevel, kwm and i think i'm missing some also.

icewm windowmaker and enlghtenment are all fully gnome compliant, to the
best of my knowledge. kwm is the only KDE compliant that i am aware of.


> > I know this is basic stuff but having used microsoft products I really
> > need to start from scratch.
> 
>     No problem.  I think quite a few of us have come from Microsoft
> products.  I also think there will be more...
> 
> -Matt Stegman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 

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