On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 01:19, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 00:09, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> > Second, nobody suggested that visitors be denied access.  My suggestion
> > is that visitors be encouraged to invest in either a club membership or
> > get a boxed set, depending of course on their individual finances.
> 
> ...and those who simply have no money and can't afford to invest in a
> boxed set OR the club--for whatever reason?  Should they move on to
> another distro?

Like I said, depending on their individual finances.  If they can't
afford it, then they can't afford it.  That's the point.  

> > The gist of my point is that there *is* a freeloader problem out there
> > and it can only be addressed politely through community influence.  If
> > nobody takes any action at all then nothing's going to happen.
> 
> Maybe you can politely (if not arrogantly)tell the freeloaders with
> money to 'ante up' without alienating those who cannot afford to 'pay
> up'...or should they go away, too?

I don't know why it's so hard to concieve of people out there who can
pay but don't.  That is the thrust of all this.  If the person doesn't
have the finances, then they need the advantage of a free download and
virtually no cost.  That's the whole reason why the free download and
virtual no cost option exists; the poor folks.  I thought that was a
forgone conclusion and not something that needed to be elaborated on.
  
We aren't talking about the poor folks here.  We're talking about the
freeloaders.  The point that is being made that free software is not
free; there's blood and sweat going into this distro, there's people
that loved and worked for this company, and had to be sacrificed for the
sake of the survival of the distro, and there's the survivors going home
every night from Mandrake wondering seriously about their future and
their groceries. Plus they are working their asses off cause there
aren't enough people there to handle the workloads anymore; *that*
happens to be the NOT FREE part. For those that have the finances and
are making use of Mandrake every day without giving anything back,
that's called freeloading.  The real arrogance around here is taking
somebody else's hard earned blood work and using it to your advantage
when you have the money to supply support but don't when people are
being laid off and the Mandrake club is out there for the cost of a
magazine subscription.


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