Well folks I bit the bullet. Decided on a marathon tonight in honour of the upcomming Olympics. Started at 6.00pm and downloaded Kernel-2.2.16 (1.5 hrs!!! Good line tonight !!) And installed same.. all 'looked' ok, so a reboot was attempted and dam me if it didn't work!! Roman on Sun 10 said install and reboot!!! Forgot to tell us we newbies needed to tweak the bootloader eh? 8.00pm downloaded Bastille-1.1.0 after reading an article at/on http://www/enteract.com about Armouring Linux. Sat down and read the Ipchains HOWTO yet again. 10.00pm - decide that a backup might be in order - so /etc and /home copied to a spare chunk on the other HDD and beast rebooted to that other opsys where a cd was written (That's another bullet yet to be tasted.) 11.30pm Sore eyes - bored with infer-mercials - reboot to Linux untar Bastille and go for it - answered all the questions eventually between reading man pages and hoping I got it right.. 00.45AM - all looks good - reboot - and hope. 00.47AM - I'm up and running - so attempt to get to the Net. 01.30AM - success - line has deteriorated even more - only getting around 1.2kbs transfer, lots of ppp timeouts - I have to deal with that later. Get the mail - yup worked - answered/responded to 20-odd. Go surfing - water is bloody cold this time of morning - try grc.com get lots of triggers from portsentry even at 1.2kbs 02.30 - logout and check logs - yup I'm all happy What a relief it's been.. Now all I have to do is make suitable sacrifices to any diety we/you care to name so that I don't stuff it all up. Cheers John -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]