this is nonsense and a complete waste of time. core commiters should simply run a poll, or Fabio would make the shot, whatever. This energy should be spent elsewhere
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Stephen Bohlen <[email protected]> wrote: > It might be valuable to evaluate opts in the context of what *goals* are > trying to be achieved and then scoring each VCS based on how well they meet > the goals vs. by performing cross-comparisons between diff VCS offerings' > "features" in a relative vacuum...? > > Example: > * ease of others to contribute > * speed/performance of interacting w the system > * maturity of tools/breadth of ecosystem > * integration betw repo, issue-tracker(s), and other ALM-like needs/tools > * ease of use/steep vs shallow learning-curve > * ease of porting existing SVN source to new repo > * ease of porting existing issue-tracker items, etc to new 'project portal' > (or not since changing VCS doesn't necessarily imply changing other related > ALM-tools) > * likelihood that people already have the client installed > * ease of committers to manage 'patch traffic' > * manual vs automated-ness of committer's managing the repo > * security model flexible enough to meet project needs > > These are just a random list, not a proposed set of goals but IMO any > change should begin with "what exactly is trying to be achieved by > changing?" and end with "which one is best-aligned with those goals?" > > Just my two cents here. > > -Steve B. > ------------------------------ > *From: * Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:43:31 -0300 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [nhibernate-development] Re: Turn on Git support in > sourceforge ? > > Hi Jen. > > Here we have a slang: > The fact that thousand of flies like to eat the same thing does not mean > that everybody should eat the same. > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Ken Egozi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> github does make life very easy for OSS projects. >> >> CodePlex and SourceForge really suck, both from the project people >> perspective and from the users perspective. Slow and non-intuitive. >> Bitbucket is quite cool, but it does not have the traction that github >> has. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:54 PM, James Gregory <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I second everything Ayende is saying here. Fluent NH flourished after >>> I made the move to git, and a huge part of that is Github. Moving >>> anywhere but Github would be foolish. >>> >>> On Nov 3, 11:42 am, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Diego, >>> > I know of a LOT of OSS projects which are using Git >>> > I know of very few using HG. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Diego Mijelshon < >>> [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Oren, >>> > >>> > > What stats do you use to say Git is more popular? >>> > > I think they both have lots of followers. >>> > >>> > > I'm slightly biased towards HG, because it has an easier learning >>> curve and >>> > > it doesn't have the "non-native" feel of Git on Windows. >>> > > Regarding the specific points you mentioned: aren't those just Github >>> > > features whose current implementation you like instead of Hg/Git >>> > > differences? >>> > >>> > > In any case, here's my 2c regarding source: >>> > >>> > > - There seems to be a consensus to move to a DVCS. Nobody wants to >>> stay >>> > > with SVN >>> > > - As others said, after the release might be a good time to do the >>> move >>> > > - IMO, the decision should be done first by the committers and, if >>> > > there isn't a clear winner, by the contributors. How about a poll? >>> > >>> > > And regarding the site (in no particular order): >>> > >>> > > - I've said it before: the current state of NH identity is just >>> > > terrible. Searches for "nhibernate" "nhibernate source" >>> "nhibernate bug >>> > > tracker" "nhibernate docs" and "nhibernate binaries" should all >>> point to a >>> > > unified site. >>> > > - I don't have anything against Jira per se, but having it >>> redirect to >>> > > an IP is just unprofessional >>> > > - SourceForge still feels like 1999. I really like Google Code, I >>> > > dislike CodePlex, and GitHub is meh. But the decision should be >>> made by >>> > > those in charge of maintaining it. >>> > >>> > > Diego >>> > >>> > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 08:03, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> Frans, >>> > >> Git is more popular than hg. And we aren't considering centralized >>> SCM >>> > >>> > >> And yes, there is a HUGE difference between sending a patch and >>> sending a >>> > >> pull request. >>> > >>> > >> a) it is *significantly* easier to handle a pull request, because it >>> is a >>> > >> single command, rather than a set of operations >>> > >> b) it allows you to have your own fork and easily merge future >>> changes >>> > >> c) it means that Joe can pull from you, not just from the master >>> feed >>> > >>> > >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > I actually do have a problem with hg. I think that Git is: >>> > >>> > a) more popular >>> > >>> > >>> than what, subversion? Perforce? CVS? >>> > >>> > >>> > b) GitHub has tremendous pull in terms of encouraging >>> contributions. >>> > >>> > c) I saw a huge spike in the amount of people contributing once I >>> moved >>> > >>> to >>> > >>> > github. >>> > >>> > >>> I have a hard time believing that the scc system used is of >>> any >>> > >>> relevance whether a developer is capable of contributing any code. >>> I >>> > >>> mean: >>> > >>> it's not as if someone who changes some code in his own branch is >>> > >>> suddenly >>> > >>> able to commit those changes as well: the change has to be >>> reviewed, >>> > >>> tested, >>> > >>> agreed upon and then it's committed. A svn patch is just as simple >>> for >>> > >>> that >>> > >>> than any other patch. >>> > >>> > >>> I don't deny what you saw on ravendb stuff, I just find it a >>> > >>> 'coincidence' rather than a correlated event. >>> > >>> > >>> FB >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Fabio Maulo < >>> [email protected]> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > And move the code in CodePlex... >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Fabio Maulo >>> > >>> > >>> > El 02/11/2010, a las 16:38, Jorge <[email protected]> >>> escribió: >>> > >>> > >>> > > Hello there, >>> > >>> > >>> > > I am in the process of downloading the code via SVN, and >>> it is >>> > >>> > taking >>> > >>> > > a very long time. >>> > >>> > >>> > > Can someone please enable Git repo in sourceforge, or >>> better >>> > >>> yet, >>> > >>> > move >>> > >>> > > code to Github? >>> > >>> > >>> > > Respectfully yours, >>> > >>> > > Jorge >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ken Egozi. >> http://www.kenegozi.com/blog >> http://www.delver.com >> http://www.musicglue.com >> http://www.castleproject.org >> http://www.idcc.co.il - הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם >> > > > > -- > Fabio Maulo > > -- Ken Egozi. http://www.kenegozi.com/blog http://www.delver.com http://www.musicglue.com http://www.castleproject.org http://www.idcc.co.il - הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם
