The oil is engine oil.. really hard to seal one up good enough to prevent that from happening. It's less of a cause of your problem as is the years of use. I file it under the heading of sh%t happens. You can try a film of Hylomar on the O ring and around the bearing if you want. Oil vapor and crankcase pressure makes it happen. The burn on the armature is what put it out of commission. As the brushes wear down, the spring tension is reduced and that causes more arcing, causes more burning... when you rebuild it be sure to clean out grooves too. carefully.
--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: From: Snookfever <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starter Trouble 84 700S To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:37 PM Cleaned the crude and armature, put her all back together and bingo, we have starter again!!! Whoo Hoo!! I plan to order rebuild kit as the brushed were pretty worn and the case o rings expanded sitting out and dont seal well. The inside was dripping with oil. Is there a seal or is the bearing bad allowing all that oil to get in the starter. There was a little in out play in the bearing/gear spline. I removed the snap ring but the spline would not come out of the bearing. I tapped it on the bench but it would not budge so I did not try to force and put the snap ring back on. Is there an o ring back there that I need to change? Thanks Dennis!!! I want to start taking longer rides and dont want to get stuck. I have cleaned and synked the carbs, sealed the fuel tank, replaced fork seals, rebuilt starter, is there anything else I shoul look at (preventative maintenance) ??? Or hard to find part I should stock for future. I plan to keep the bike a long time. On Jun 14, 1:18 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > They get cruddy inside, no big deal. Just clean everything up real good and > make that armature nice and clean where the brushes make contact. The hardest > part is getting it all back together. You'll be fine. > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starter Trouble 84 700S > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:04 AM > > Pulled the starter, it looks like a gear box in side. Covered in > black grease and crude. The must be a bad or missing o ring near the > spline gear. Its ammazing it ever worked with all the oil and crude > on/in it. Armature looks ok will check continuity once I get the crude > off it. I located a rebuild kit on line (http://www.motorcityreman.com/ > 4brrekit.html) for $30 will give it a try. > > Thanks for the guidence... Hope to be riding again by mid week. > > Glen > > On Jun 14, 12:27 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Many members have rebuilt their own. Why not you ? Take it out and find out > > how bad it is before any drastic measures. Very few tools required. Parts > > available on-line. > > > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starter Trouble 84 700S > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> > > Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:52 PM > > > Dennis: > > > I got a "C" in electrical. But I finally got it. I have 12V at > > battery, and 12v at Starter terminal with the button pushed. No > > starter.. So it sounds like I need a starter. Can I rebuild this > > my self? Or take it to a shop. Or buy replacement. > > > Glen > > > On Jun 12, 11:31 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > My first instruction was as clear as it can be. When pushing the button > > > do you have 12 volts at the starter terminal ? (not the relay / solenoid) > > > Drops to nothing ? > > > Take a deep breath. Now check the voltage across the battery terminals. > > > What is the voltage across the battery with the button pushed ? drops to > > > zero ? > > > OK, the headlight going out is supposed to happen. A drop across the > > > battery to zero is a poor battery, a huge drop at the starter terminal is > > > a bad starter. No voltage at the starter terminal is a bad solenoid. > > > The starter terminal is where the cable attaches to the starter motor. > > > Want more ? Try jumping the starter motor. Use cables from a battery to a > > > chassis ground and starter motor terminal. Motor works ? Y~N ? > > > Additional: > > > #1 lets say you have 12 volts at the battery, no voltage at the starter > > > terminal.. replace relay / solenoid. > > > #2 12 volts at the battery, but only 3 volts at the starter terminal. > > > Battery or starter ? > > > Hold down the button and check the battery Still have 12 ? dropped > > > to 3 ? > > > jump the starter OK ? Y~N ? Yes, bad battery, No, rebuild starter. > > > > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starter Trouble 84 700S > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 6:29 PM > > > > Dennis: > > > > Checking the starter relay switch posts (battery positive on one side > > > to starter on the other) I have 12.5 volts. When you push the start > > > button with th key on the head light goes out and the volt reading is > > > zero. Selenoid? By selenoid do you mean the starter relay switch? > > > > Glen.. > > > > On Jun 12, 1:23 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hold the button in and check for 12 volts at the starter terminal. Have > > > > it ? then rebuild the starter. No 12V ? Solenoid is bad. > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starter Trouble 84 700S > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:33 PM > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > Just checked and the battery was up to full charge 13.45 volts, but it > > > > wont turn over. It just clicks... > > > > > What now??? > > > > > Glen > > > > > On Jun 11, 11:11 pm, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > sounds like another charging system problem > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Snookfever wrote: > > > > > > > My bike starts right up the morning, but after riding half an hour > > > > > > the > > > > > > motor will barely turn over. The battery is 6 months old and fuild > > > > > > level is fine. I put a motorcycle battery tender on it after riding > > > > > > and if I have not rode in a week or so I will plug it in over night. > > > > > > Tonight I rode 40 miles to bike night hung out about an hour with > > > > > > friends and it barley started after several tries. I rode back 40 > > > > > > miles, when I stopped to fuel up it would not turn over. The starter > > > > > > switch clicks when you hit the button and the head light is bright. > > > > > > Any idea what is going on? > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > Glen- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
