Hi,

Its not clear to me what Mark had in mind when he asked if " mixed effect modeling (NONMEM in particular) is robust".

But Susan proposes its just obviously OK <grin> and Yaning suggests reading a book for the simple case of linear models. But what about the real world i.e. non-linear mixed models?

And surely there must be some degree of imbalance that would lead to a non-robust description when using a mixed model? e.g. if one is trying to described a disease progress curve and some people are followed long enough to identify an exponential shape while others are followed for a shorter time and appear to have a linear shape then wouldn't there be some bias in the resulting estimates describing the curve depending on the mix of short or long follow up times?

Nick

Willavize, Susan wrote:

Hi Mark,



This should be true just based on the nature of mixed effects modeling. If you are not convinced, you may want to try some examples where you simulate balanced and unbalanced designs and then estimate. J



Best Regard

Wang, Yaning wrote:


  Linear Mixed Models for Longitudinal Data by Geert Verbeke
  
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/102-2006236-4753744?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Geert%20Verbeke>,
  Geert Molenberghs
  
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/102-2006236-4753744?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Geert%20Molenberghs>

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Does anyone have a reference to a publication assessing whetheor unbalances studies? I see if in a number of courses (including the original beginners course for NONMEM), but can't find a publication.
thanks


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