How would a asynchronous libuv schedule example look? – Micheil
On 09/07/2013, at 6:08 PM, Tim Caswell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Floby <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim's examples are pretty nice. > The only things missing for all my use cases are storing pointers in JS > objects so I can get them back when I need it. > > something like > > js_set_pointer(C, myObject, pointer); > myType *pointer = js_get_pointer(C, myObject); > > Ok, now the proposed API has a more complete feature set including an example > of how to embed C structs inside JS objects. > https://gist.github.com/creationix/5954513#file-point-c (Also I ran all the > code through gcc and clang with -pendantic to make sure my header is valid > code) > > > #include "js_api.h" > #include <stdlib.h> // malloc, free > > > // Suppose I want to create a point type that's backed by a real C struct for > points. > > > typedef struct { > > double x; > double y; > > } my_point; > > > void cleanup_point(void* point, const char* type) { > > free(point); > > } > > bool create_point(js_context* C) { > > my_point* point = (my_point*)malloc(sizeof(my_point)); > > point->x = js_to_double(C, 1); > > point->y = js_to_double(C, 2); > > int proto = js_named_read_ref(C, "my_point_proto"); > > return js_return_external_pointer_with_proto(C, point, "my_point", proto, > cleanup_point); > > } > > bool add_method(js_context* C) { > > my_point* point = (my_point*)js_to_pointer(C, 0, "my_point"); > > if (!point) { > > return js_throw_type_error(C, "Expected this to be 'my_point' instance"); > > } > return js_return_double(C, point->x * point->y); > > } > > bool export_point(js_context* C) { > > int proto = js_create_object(C); > > js_set_function(C, proto, "add", add_method); > > js_named_ref(C, proto, "my_point_proto"); > > return js_return_function(C, create_point); > > } > > > > > > > > On Monday, 8 July 2013 20:35:36 UTC+2, Timothy J Fontaine wrote: > [cross post from http://atxconsulting.com/2013/07/06/rewrite-it-anyway/] > > Node v1.0 is approaching, and v0.12 is imminent (as far as that goes for FOSS > projects). As we work towards getting v0.12 out the door, there have been a > lot > of changes happening for node's primary dependency v8. Ben is working on > moving > us to the 3.20 branch, follow his progress > [here](https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/5804). > > As you can tell this is a signficant change to the API, which requires a touch > of virtually every file in our `src/`, this has been a huge headache for him, > and will ultimately cause a huge headache for developers of binary addons. > > You're going to have to `#ifdef` around significant portions of the API to > keep > your module working across different version of node, this is going to cause > endless amounts of pain and issues for node and developers who have for the > most part been accepting of the churn in our underspecified addon API. > > This one is going to hurt. > > A lot. > > ## TL;DR -- A modest proposal > > Since you're going to have to rewrite your module anyway, it's time for node > to > specify and export the API we are going to "bless" for addons. That is, just > what API we are going to support and make sure continues to work from minor > and > major releases, as well as a deprecation policy. > > More specifically I think we should be exporting a separate (and not equal) > wrapper around (at the very least) javascript object creation, get/set, > function > calling. > > Additionally we should package and distribute (if possible in npm) a > transitional library/headers which module authors can target today which will > allow their module to compile and work from v0.8 through v1.0 > > ## The Platform Problem > > We currently allow platforms/distributors to build against shared (their own) > versions of many of our dependencies, including but not limited to: > > * v8 > - Holy crap, we're about as tightly coupled to the version of v8 we ship as > chromium itself is. > * libuv > - If we weren't strictly coupled to v8, we certainly are for libuv, there > would be no (useful) node, without libuv. > * openssl > - This is a must for linux distributions, who like to break DSA keys and > then > make every dependency vulnerable as a result (sorry Debian, I keed I keed). > - This actually allows distributors who know specific things about their > platform to enable/disable the features that allow it to run best. > * zlib > - Meh, this isn't such a big deal, it doesn't really change all that often. > * http_parser > - Really? People ship this as a separate library? > > This functionality was added to appease platform builders, the likes of > Debian, > Fedora, and even SmartOS. However, doing so has complicated and muddled the > scenario of building and linking binary addons. > > Currently node-gyp downloads the sourceball, extracts the headers from it, > and makes some assumptions from `process.config` about how to build your > addon. > In practice this has been working reasonably well. > > However, I'm very concerned about this as a long term strategy. It's possible > for someone to have tweaked or twisted the node (or one of its dependencies) > builds, which could lead to some unintended consequences. In the "best" case, > you'll get a compiler error from a changed API or clashing symbol. In the > worst > case they have modified the ABI which will manifest itself in unexpected and > often subtle ways. > > Not to mention that we have no good answer on how to build and link addon > modules against the proper version of a shared dependency (what if the system > has multiple openssl's, what if they compiled against it in one place, but now > run against it in another). > > And last but not least, how do modules consume symbols from our dependencies > that node itself doesn't consume. Consider a specific crypto routine from > openssl that you want to provide as an addon module because node doesn't > currently have an interface for it. > > ## Enemies without, and enemies within > > As if it weren't bad enough that platforms may ship against a version of v8 > that we haven't blessed, we (and addon developers) have to fight against the > beast that is the v8 API churn. > > I don't really fault Google and the chromium or v8 team for how they are > handling this, more often then not we just end up with ugly compile time > deprecation warnings, letting us know the world is about to break. > > However, there have been times -- like right now -- where node can't paper > over > the drastic change in the v8 API for module developers. And as a result we > begrudgingly pass the API change to module authors. > > To paraphrase, don't forget that execrement will inevitably lose its battle > with gravity. > > So what are we going to do? > > ## Meat and Potatoes > > This is where I don't particularly have everything fleshed out, and I'm sure I > will take a considerable amount of heat from people on API decisions that > haven't been made. > > I want to export the following interfaces: > > * `node/js.h` > - Object creation and manipulation. > - Function calling and Error throwing. > * `node/platform.h` > - IO and event loop abstraction. > * `node/ssl.h` > * `node/zlib.h` > * `node/http.h` > > While I am not particularly attached to the names of these headers, each > represent an interface that I think module authors would opt to target. I only > feel strongly that we export `js` and `platform` as soon as possible as > they are the primary interactions for every module. > > ### Basic Principles > > There are only a few principles: > > * Avoid (like the plague) any scenario where we expose an ABI to module > authors. > - Where possible use opaque handles and getter/setter functions. > * The exported API should be a reliable interface which authors can depend on > working across releases. > * While a dependency may change its API, we have committed to our external > API > and need to provide a transitional interface in accordance with our > deprecation > policy. > * The API should never expose an implementation detail to module authors (A > spidermonkey backed node one day?). > > ### Platform > > The `platform` interface is the easiest to discuss, but the pattern would > follow for `ssl`, `zlib`, and `http`. > > This would just rexport the existing `uv` API, however with a C-style > namespace > of `node_`. Any struct passing should be avoided, and libuv would need to be > updated to reflect that. > > ### JS > > I expect the `js` interface to be the most contentious, and also fraught with > peril. > > The interface for addon authors should be C, I don't want to forsake the C++ > folk, but I think the binding for that should be based on our C interface. > > I was going to describe my ideal interface, and frame it in context of my ruby > and python experience. However, after a brief investigation, the JSAPI for > spidermonkey exports almost exactly the API I had in mind. So read about that > [here](https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SpiderMonkey/JSAPI_User_Guide). > > Would it make sense, and would it be worth the effort, for node to export a > JSAPI compatible interface? > > Would it make more sense to export a JSAPI influenced API currently targetted > at v8 which could be trivially extended to also support spidermonkey? > > UPDATE 2013-07-08: > > > It's interesting and worthy to have a conversation about being able to > > provide a backend neutral object model, though our current coupling to v8 > > and > > its usage in existing addons may not make it possible to entirely hide away > > the eccentricities of the v8 API. But what we can provide is an interface > > that is viable to target against from release to release regardless of how > > the public v8 API changes. > > ## Prior Art > > A lot of these ideas came from a discussion I had with > [Joshua Clulow](http://blog.sysmgr.org/) while en route to > [NodeConf](http://nodeconf.com). > > Part of that conversation was about [v8+](https://github.com/wesolows/v8plus) > which was written by a particularly talented coworker, who had a rather nasty > experience writing for the existing C++ API (such as it is). > > There's some overlap in how it works and how I envisioned the new API. > However, > I'm not sure I'm particularly fond of automatically converting objects into > nvlists, though that does solve some of the release and retain issues. > > In general I would advocate opaque handles and getter and setter functions, > with a helper API which could do that wholesale conversion for you. > > Really though this matters less in a world where addon authors are following > some defined "Best Practices". > > * Only pass and return "primitives" to/from the javascript/C boundary > - Primitives would be things like: `String`, `Number`, `Buffer`. > * Only perform objection manipulation in javascript where the JIT can work > its magic > > ## Dessert > > Work on this needs to begin as soon as possible. We should be able to > distribute it in npm, and authors should be able to target it by including a > few headers in their source and adding a dependency stanza in their > `binding.gyp`, and by doing so their module will work from v0.8 through > v1.0 > > I mean, you're going to have to rewrite it anyway. > > -- > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "nodejs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "nodejs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. 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