Palatinate Pipes????? tim rolls BT wrote: I guess we may have to consider allowing Durham,
CHAPELRY OF WHITWORTH. The Chapelry of Whitworth is bounded by the Wear, dividing it from Brancepath on the North; by Tudhoe, in the Parish of Brancepath, on the East; by Merrington on the South-east and South; and by St. Andrew's Auckland on the South-west and West. John Robinson, of Coundon, found drowned the 23d day of August 1637. He was a piper. From: 'Chapelry of Whitworth', The History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards (1823), pp. 291-302. URL: [1][1]http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76361&strque ry=northumberland piper Date accessed: 06 January 2010. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: [2]Anthony Robb To: [[2]3]...@millgreens.f2s.com ; [[3]4]gibbonssoi...@aol.com ; [5]tim rolls BT Cc: [[4]6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: NSP Hello Tim Guess you're thinking about developments such as concert G chanters and high C keys. It would be accurate but silly as we both know. Clearly the pipes have growing international interest but newcomers Googling Northumberland (pipes) would get a very half-baked picture of the instrument and its history. Even if Northumberland had gained widespread acceptance during the appropriate period a good case could now be made for Northumbrian. Surely we should stick with the accepted and now geographically accurate Northumbrian. It is, after all, what most of us call them. As aye Anthony --- On Wed, 6/1/10, tim rolls BT [5]<tim.ro...@btconnect.com> wrote: From: tim rolls BT [6]<tim.ro...@btconnect.com> Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP To: [7]...@millgreens.f2s.com, [8]gibbonssoi...@aol.com, "Anthony Robb" [9]<anth...@robbpipes.com> Cc: [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 12:09 Hi All, Surely the "Tyne and Weary" pipes appelation should only apply to developments since 1973. Before that back to a point where Newcastle was a county in it's own right (someone fill in the dates here )it's Northumberland all the way. Perhaps to avoid contention we should adopt a new designation, as Scottish is to Scotland, and English is to England (Angleland) what about Northumberlish? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Robb" [11]<[7]anth...@robbpipes.com> To: [12]<[8]...@millgreens.f2s.com>; [13]<[9]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> Cc: [14]<[10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP > > Thin ice here,I think, John. > Leaving aside the century in which the unique sound of the pipes was > created and whether the addition of keys "improved" this sound, there > are real problems, these days, with the appellation Northumberland. > You rightly point out that the Kingdom of Northumbria belonged to a > different era to the modern version of the instrument but then so does > Northumberland as now designated by the boundary changes of the 1970s. > Jim is far closer to the truth when he refers to Northumbria as the > home of our pipes as this region does imply the inclusion of what is > now Tyne & Wear, and Durham. > The locals of course usually just referred to them as pipes and used > appellations "Scottish" or "Irish" to denote otherwise. When > geographical information was added for the benefit of a wider audience, > Northumberland was used. > This now, however, has a greater lack of accuracy than > "Northumbrian" as it means that the very place where the piping > developments you mention is excluded from the named location. > Perhaps some would like us now to refer to "Northumberland" pipes for > the older version and "Tyne & Wear" pipes for the modern version? > As aye > Anthony > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, [[15]11]gibbonssoi...@aol.com [16]<[12]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> > wrote: > > From: [[17]13]gibbonssoi...@aol.com [18]<[14]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> > Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP > To: [[19]15]...@millgreens.f2s.com > Cc: [[20]16]...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 23:03 > > The pipes and the kingdom belong to different eras - > the Northumbrian pipes reached something like their modern form in a > similar time and place to the steam locomotive. > But they were called 'Northumberland pipes' then, as were their > simpler > 'unimproved' pre-Peacock version. > 'Northumbrian' is now used, confusingly, to refer to any of > -the Anglo-Saxon kingdom > -the modern county > -the modern NE region, from the Tees to the border, > never ever specifying which is meant. > It is apparently a gross error to do so, though I never understood > why.... > John > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1][17][21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. 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