Yes, we need Palatinum pipes made in the exclave of Bedlingtonshire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedlingtonshire
Those seeking enlightrnment could investigate: Counties (Detached Parts) Act 1839 Barry On 6 Jan 2010 at 18:06, Richard York wrote: > Palatinate Pipes????? > tim rolls BT wrote: > > I guess we may have to consider allowing Durham, > > > > CHAPELRY OF WHITWORTH. > The Chapelry of Whitworth is bounded by the Wear, dividing it from > Brancepath on the North; by Tudhoe, in the Parish of Brancepath, on the > East; by Merrington on the South-east and South; and by St. Andrew's > Auckland on the South-west and West. > > > > John Robinson, of Coundon, found drowned the 23d day of August 1637. He > was a piper. > > > > From: 'Chapelry of Whitworth', The History and Antiquities of the > County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards > (1823), pp. 291-302. URL: > > [1][1]http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76361&strque > ry=northumberland piper Date accessed: 06 January 2010. > > > > Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [2]Anthony Robb > > To: [[2]3]...@millgreens.f2s.com ; [[3]4]gibbonssoi...@aol.com ; [5]tim > rolls > BT > > Cc: [[4]6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: NSP > > Hello Tim > Guess you're thinking about developments such as concert G chanters and > high C keys. It would be accurate but silly as we both know. > Clearly the pipes have growing international interest but newcomers > Googling Northumberland (pipes) would get a very half-baked picture of > the instrument and its history. > Even if Northumberland had gained widespread acceptance during the > appropriate period > a good case could now be made for Northumbrian. > Surely we should stick with the accepted and now geographically > accurate Northumbrian. It is, after all, what most of us call them. > As aye > Anthony > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, tim rolls BT [5]<tim.ro...@btconnect.com> wrote: > > From: tim rolls BT [6]<tim.ro...@btconnect.com> > Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP > To: [7]...@millgreens.f2s.com, [8]gibbonssoi...@aol.com, "Anthony Robb" > [9]<anth...@robbpipes.com> > Cc: [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 12:09 > > Hi All, > Surely the "Tyne and Weary" pipes appelation should only apply to > developments since 1973. Before that back to a point where Newcastle > was a > county in it's own right (someone fill in the dates here )it's > Northumberland all the way. > Perhaps to avoid contention we should adopt a new designation, as > Scottish > is to Scotland, and English is to England (Angleland) what about > Northumberlish? > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Robb" [11]<[7]anth...@robbpipes.com> > To: [12]<[8]...@millgreens.f2s.com>; [13]<[9]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> > Cc: [14]<[10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 AM > Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP > > > > Thin ice here,I think, John. > > Leaving aside the century in which the unique sound of the pipes > was > > created and whether the addition of keys "improved" this sound, > there > > are real problems, these days, with the appellation Northumberland. > > You rightly point out that the Kingdom of Northumbria belonged to a > > different era to the modern version of the instrument but then so > does > > Northumberland as now designated by the boundary changes of the > 1970s. > > Jim is far closer to the truth when he refers to Northumbria as the > > home of our pipes as this region does imply the inclusion of what > is > > now Tyne & Wear, and Durham. > > The locals of course usually just referred to them as pipes and > used > > appellations "Scottish" or "Irish" to denote otherwise. When > > geographical information was added for the benefit of a wider > audience, > > Northumberland was used. > > This now, however, has a greater lack of accuracy than > > "Northumbrian" as it means that the very place where the piping > > developments you mention is excluded from the named location. > > Perhaps some would like us now to refer to "Northumberland" pipes > for > > the older version and "Tyne & Wear" pipes for the modern version? > > As aye > > Anthony > > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, [[15]11]gibbonssoi...@aol.com > [16]<[12]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> > > wrote: > > > > From: [[17]13]gibbonssoi...@aol.com [18]<[14]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> > > Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP > > To: [[19]15]...@millgreens.f2s.com > > Cc: [[20]16]...@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 23:03 > > > > The pipes and the kingdom belong to different eras - > > the Northumbrian pipes reached something like their modern form > in a > > similar time and place to the steam locomotive. > > But they were called 'Northumberland pipes' then, as were their > > simpler > > 'unimproved' pre-Peacock version. > > 'Northumbrian' is now used, confusingly, to refer to any of > > -the Anglo-Saxon kingdom > > -the modern county > > -the modern NE region, from the Tees to the border, > > never ever specifying which is meant. > > It is apparently a gross error to do so, though I never > understood > > why.... > > John > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [1][17][21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > > > > References > > > > 1. 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