All of which goes to show that it's really, really difficult writing down on paper the precise quality of something which we hear and/or play in such a way that other people can do it.

Perhaps Aural Transmission really is the best method.
(waits for someone to produce a dubious double entendre)

Best wishes,
Richard.
PS We could maybe discuss how to notate traditional dance too, while we're at it :)



On 21/06/2011 10:05, Julia Say wrote:
On 20 Jun 2011, Gibbons, John wrote:

"stacc.    abbreviated form of staccato (Italian: detached, separated)
staccare        (Italian) to detach, to separate each note"
The word has its natural meaning, in other words.
Stacatissimo is what some people think it means, but it doesn't!
I believe I read (probably in the online dolmetsch.com music theory site since
that's what I tend to use) that in classical / art music terms these days, a 
note
with a staccato dot should be played half length of what is printed, (so a 
crotchet
becomes a quaver, for instance), whilst staccatissimo means the note should be
played one quarter of the written value.

I have more than a suspicion that the precise meaning of these terms varies from
instrument to instrument (different characteristics and all that) as well as
through historical and musical time.

Maybe an exploration of the relevance and meaning of such terms for the nsp is
worthwhile. Tenuto also appears to mean separated, but only by a hair's breadth,
which I think we should appropriate, as it describes exactly what we sometimes
want.  Reading (this time on Wikipedia) legato can be either separated or joined
(slurred legato?) depending on instrument and context. What / which do we 
(nsp-ers)
mean by it? And under what circumstances?

I once played classical flute - where staccato dots often (but not always) meant
tongueing, slurs meant no tongueing. And so on and so forth. Each of us is 
coming
to the nsp with a slightly different perspective and experience and we have to 
bear
this in mind in discussions

We have staccatissimo marks in Peacock on Meggy's Foot - and all seem agreed 
that
this is a highly exaggerated staccato tune.

So, in our case, staccatissimo could be said to be "as short as you can possibly
make it", whilst "staccato" is with the bounce that most players seem to apply 
to
(for example) the first of a pair of repeated notes. Not something that's ever 
been
pointed out to me formally but "most" players do it, almost by instinct. Which
makes it traditional in my book.

If we can find a consensus on how these terms are / should be used in nspiping,
discussions might be a little less confrontational.

Julia (who has been told off by both Chris O and I- Adrian for playing "too
staccato" - yeeeeees!)



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