That depends. If you have software assurance then the upgrade costs from ENT to DC licensing should be pretty cheap. There are substantial cost savings to be had by going with DC.
- Sean On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com>wrote: > If you're starting out, without any existing licensing, Datacenter is > almost a no brainer. My challenge is transitioning to Datacenter. That > will likely happen at the next server OS release. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That was merely a throw away example. We got lots of licenses for lots of >> stuff on 'em :) But when we order a vmware host, we order a set of licenses >> for them. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> No. They're not... >>> Data Center Licenses may only be run on multi-processor boxes. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, if they only have one processor in the host they're fine... ;o) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I sure hope it's more than one Data Center license... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We run VMware here and for every VMware host we have a Windows Data >>>>>> Center license. >>>>>> >>>>>> Watching the new HyperV 3 features and our environment requirements >>>>>> and VMware's license changes, we'll be checking into it more next year as >>>>>> the Server software gets into beta and release. We are in the >>>>>> beginnings of >>>>>> our 3 year agreement with VMware so no immediate cost change for us. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And as for Client Access Licenses (CALs), that doesn’t matter what >>>>>>> you are running on the host – you still appropriate CALs.**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:47 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Virtualisation software**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No matter which virtualization solution you obtain, you will need to >>>>>>> license the Windows guests that run in them. If you're running Linux >>>>>>> guests, then you're fine, of course. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Purchasing an Enterprise license for Windows will allow for the >>>>>>> running of up to 4 guests against that license. Purchases a Data Center >>>>>>> license will allow for running an unlimited number of Windows guests >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> that particular license. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You need to review the licensing documentation again.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx >>>>>>> **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *ASB***** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>***** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Nigel Parker < >>>>>>> nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk> wrote:**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi thanks to everyone that replied ! >>>>>>> I have a working solution as we used Vmware products before that's >>>>>>> why I >>>>>>> went down this route >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I though with Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 you needed licenses for the >>>>>>> clients >>>>>>> to connect as we are running a mix of 2k and 2003 servers I gave this >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> miss, as we will have a number of people connecting to these virtual >>>>>>> machines >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want the bare metal route as we cant spend anything at the moment >>>>>>> And our thinking was that bare metal would have less overhead and >>>>>>> therefore allow us to run more machines on the same host >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for all the replies >>>>>>> Regards Nigel**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] >>>>>>> Sent: 19 September 2011 17:10 >>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Virtualisation software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For Bare Metal + Free, I think your only options are ESXi and >>>>>>> XenServer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For nearly Bare Metal + Free, check out: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3512 >>>>>>> ProxmoxVE - http://pve.proxmox.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We ended up using Hyper-V, but not the "nearly bare-metal" one linked >>>>>>> above. We decided to use the full install of Windows Server and run >>>>>>> Hyper-V on top so we could keep the ease of use functionality, 3rd >>>>>>> party >>>>>>> network and RAID management compatibility, and it wasn't _that_ much >>>>>>> more headroom to have the full windows experience. The fact that the >>>>>>> licensing allows us to the host server "for free" is nice, too. See: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V >>>>>>> irtualization-Licensing.ashx<http://www.quicklearn.us/library/Virtualization.Windows-Server-2008-R2-V%0d%0airtualization-Licensing.ashx> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Proxmox looks awesome for a linux based VM server. I recommend you >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> this one only if you're planning a small scale deployment, as they >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> have any good clustering support, yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Matt Ross >>>>>>> Ephrata School District >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Nigel Parker >>>>>>> [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] >>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 >>>>>>> 01:16:57 -0700 >>>>>>> Subject: Virtualisation software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Hi >>>>>>> > I am looking for some Bare metal Virtualisation software the >>>>>>> criteria >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> > have been given is that it must be >>>>>>> > FREE! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I looked on Vmware website and although they list >>>>>>> > VMware vSphere Hypervisor >>>>>>> > As Free it seem the product when I installed it said It was a 60 >>>>>>> day >>>>>>> > version - they gave me a serial number and I tired to follow the >>>>>>> docs >>>>>>> > about entering it however I didn't have the icon on my client to >>>>>>> select >>>>>>> > and install the license >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Is the product still free - >>>>>>> > Do you have to run it for 60 days before you can enter the serial >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Have I finally lost it ? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Help would be appreciated >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Nigel Parker >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Systems Engineer >>>>>>> > Ultraframe (UK) Ltd >>>>>>> > Tel: 01200 452329 >>>>>>> > Fax: 01200 452201 >>>>>>> > Web: <www.ultraframe.com> >>>>>>> > Email: <mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> > represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. >>>>>>> > This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> > confidential and may be legally privileged. 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