It's how I was hired.
Sean Rector, MCSE From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT:Age Discrimination in IT Yes, you can get an interview and be complete wrong for the position, but still make a good impression, and be top of mind when another opening is created. And HR people do talk within their peer groups too, sharing the good and the bad. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Sherry Abercrombie < sabercrom...@nhdallas.com> wrote: My thoughts exactly Don. From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT:Age Discrimination in IT Agreed, but knee-deep in the job search myself as we speak, even if you're not "fully-qualified" for a position, it never hurts to get your info to them. Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2 Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv don.gu...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 <tel:1-800-523-7282%20x%201673> Fax: 610-233-0404 www.fiserv.com <http://www.fiserv.com/> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT:Age Discrimination in IT "My rule was to apply for every job that I was remotely qualified for" Interesting...I hate the thought of interviewing for a job I don't feel I'm fully qualified for, which by definition rules out "remotely qualified". Then again I have never had to look for a job in a lousy job market. Nice job BTW Sherry! Dave From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:sabercrom...@nhdallas.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT:Age Discrimination in IT Do not put your college graduation date on a resume, only the degree earned and from where, work history, list most recent and give more if requested. Good jobs are out there, you just have to be persistent and patient. I'm proof of that, in the last year and a half I have applied for probably 200+ jobs, finally got one that is a dream job. My rule was to apply for every job that I was remotely qualified for. My current job is a manager's position.....I had no management experience but met all the other requirements, but nailed the phone interviews and face to face interview and had a job offer 5 days after turning in my resume for it! From: Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT:Age Discrimination in IT I try to focus on the items that can be changed. My health, I walk 50 miles a month, dye my hair, am the correct weight for my height, and I dress to fit the corporate environment, etc. I try to keep abreast of new technologies and I am going to start attending local user group meetings. When I was at EDS now HP I remember being told they turned a applicant away because he did not dress like them and they felt uncomfortable. I can not change the current National employment crisis, our countries viewpoints on age etc. They can figure your age by the dates of college graduation and employment history so that is one reason Andrews advice was spot on. Daniel Evensen ----- Original Message ----- From: David <mailto:blazer...@gmail.com> To: NT System Admin Issues <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: Re: OT:Age Discrimination in IT I'm about your age and had similar experiences. I've ended up doing a combination of consluting and some pre-existing private clients. Hell, I've thought about investing in some of the gray-away stuff for what hair I have left. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Don Holstrom <d...@holstrom.com> wrote: I am 63, and seeing this. I don't even hear back from firms to whom I apply. I have been a full, sole IT director with no help at two different firms for a dozen years. But I don't want to lie or cut short my resume, don't want to waste time interviewing at firms that don't want an oldster... From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT:Age Discrimination in IT Amen and +1 on this. Having gone through this two years ago most of the applicants I was competing against were in the sub 35 age range and when ever I got an interview the major questions were about pay and how low I would go, and a lot less on skills. I know at least one place I did not get an interview but an insider told me they only hired those right out of college or high school as they did not want anyone questioning the management staff about decisions. Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Erik Goldoff < egold...@gmail.com> wrote: one issue related to age discrimination has to do with salary expectations, and that the young bucks just out of schooling have less responsibility, less expenses, and therefore will accept lower salaries.... implying that the older applicants automatically would not accept as low a salary, costing too much, and therefore excluded. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Daniel Evensen < dane...@att.net> wrote: Age Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that states that age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other fields. Question, do you find this true or false? If you find it true how do you handle it? I am a former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that wants to return to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I do not need to work but want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is excellent, am at the right weight etc, will be a plus in my favor. 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