This thread started though discussing if someone is qualified to be a Domain Admin, not weather they deserve to be SE’s or not. In general a person qualified to be a Domain Admin is likely qualified to be titled as an SE, but not all SE’s are qualified to be Domain Admin’s.
I would expect a DA to know most of the answers to Christopher’s questions. I’d wager of the 7 DA’s we have here that other than Group Policy they would fail Q’s about AD. The curious thing is while they’d most likely admit to now being proficient in AD they are reluctant to give up that privilege. From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space Sure. But there are backup guys that need to back up Windows servers, but their backend backup infrastructure isn’t Windows. And even amongst Windows SEs there are plenty of specialists. Unless they claim to be AD guys, I wouldn’t expect them to know what adminSDHolder is. Cheers Ken From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 8:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space I definitely agree with that Ken, but since this is an NT list, my assumption was that we were focussing on Microsoft SEs. I could have been mistaken. Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP Technical Support III Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: Ken Schaefer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 10/16/2011 11:52 AM Subject: RE: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space ________________________________ The below is also pretty AD focussed. Unless the role is AD administration, I wouldn’t necessarily expect an SE to know the intricacies of the items below. Especially as the environment gets larger, you tend to have more specialised SEs – we have a file/print SE team, a desktop build team, an SCCM SE team etc. Likewise we have SEs who are backup specialists – I’m not expecting them to know much about FSMO roles – especially since most of our backup servers aren’t even Windows machines. Cheers Ken From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2011 4:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space +1 on Ken's reply. I think a better judge of an SE would be related to AD or Windows in general. So something like this would be a more telling sign: Group Policy? What's that? PowerShell skills? AdminSDHolder? FSMO roles? InterSite replication? By the way, I've just finished up interviewing quite a few people for our Technical Support II positions (basically a Jr. Systems Engineer) and very few of these people had any clue what these things are. Many of these candidates had 10-15 years of experience. Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP Technical Support III Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: Ken Schaefer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 10/14/2011 04:30 PM Subject: RE: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space ________________________________ Why would a Domain Admin be, necessarily, expected to know about Shavlik? I’ve never seen Shavlik used in an enterprise environment (it’s Tivoli, Altiris and maybe SCCM), so if a DA comes from an enterprise environment Shavlik’s probably only something they might see in passing on a list/community like this one. I’m sure there are plenty of products and vendors that each one of us here have never heard of. Cheers Ken From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2011 1:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: How you know some SE's aren't really in the Windows management space “What’s Shavlik? 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